CommissarHarris Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 Has anyone watched this? Wow. Just, Wow. Darrel on Exorcists: "Exorcist you roll d6 missiles... but you still need to roll to hit. ... If you got d6 hits it would be better." "In order for this to work you must have three" Darrel on how retributors are bad because : "If they could have had, like ten girls with heavy bolters that rended, then you'd start to go theres a hard little unit that will dominate their side of the board, even if you could have had six or seven, thay would be a fierceum unit. Four is just painful!" All of this is delivered like a eulogy, in low tones with falling terminals, by two gentlemen who have never played them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268569-beast-of-war-critique/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatcrusade08 Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 beast of war in general dont do indepth tactics, they do suggestions/tips. this doesnt surprise me Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268569-beast-of-war-critique/#findComment-3271115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinnerBeta Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 What the poster above me said. It's sad that they didn't have anyone that actually knows the Sisters to talk but that's already a sign that shows that you shouldn't take them seriously. Just listen and maybe you'll pick up some out of the box thinking, stuff that a Sister player wouldn't think of normally. Plus it's not like thet're advertising the army so no one is going to pick it up based on their video and then get disappointed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268569-beast-of-war-critique/#findComment-3271227 Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatcrusade08 Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 if i ran my opwn video tactics/review like they did id at least do some googling before hand. their stuff on SM scouts is disturbingly poor, this 'review' can barely be called that. they discussed each unit on its own based on a comparison with space marines/space wolves.. thats pretty poor Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268569-beast-of-war-critique/#findComment-3271244 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacinda Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 I can't watch the video at work, but I'll check it out later. Sisters of Battle are a deceptively simple army. In a game where people look to heavy weights for "no saves of any kind" or 6+ S10 AP2 attacks, they just don't see the value in our codex. Which is fine; if they do not know how our codex works they do not know what to do against it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268569-beast-of-war-critique/#findComment-3271259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinnerBeta Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 Sorry for being a bit off topic but since already here: I was away for a few months and I want to ask if B&C is still working on that 6E guide (akin to Shall They Know Fear). Normally I would post in the related thread... but I can't find any. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268569-beast-of-war-critique/#findComment-3271266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IK Viper Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 They do make one very good point though, SoB could really benefit from another Troops choice in the book, or atleast a way to make another coice scoring, WHat if taking a Cannoness unlocked Celestians as Troops... that would make them atleast viable. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268569-beast-of-war-critique/#findComment-3271657 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Nah, it wouldn't. Scoring Celestians would STILL be worse than Battle Sister squads because they're more expensive and their Act of Faith just doesn't measure up. Scoring Dominions, Seraphim or Retributors on the other hand would just completely invalidate Battle Sister squads as a choice. This is why we don't have any characters that shift the force organisation chart around. I watched the Beasts of War "critique" a couple of weeks ago and just gave up. Their message is basically thus: "They aren't Space Wolves, so they suck." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268569-beast-of-war-critique/#findComment-3271827 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinnerBeta Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 I guess they think that scoring Celestials would be good since for a few additional points they have higher chance of surviving a charge when sitting on a objective. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268569-beast-of-war-critique/#findComment-3272012 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IK Viper Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 you can take Celestians in squasds of 5 though, which would allow more options for cheap scoring units. That is one of my main complaints against most everything Darrell says... If it is not one of his beloved space wolves then its terrible... we get it, your codex is written to basically make fun of all the other good Marine armies who pay more points for similar units with fewer special rules and less flexable kit options across the board, all that said, SW are not over the top powerful like he seams to think, some people like to do more then camp Long Fang packs in cover and shoot for 7 turns, if your going to do that play Guard. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268569-beast-of-war-critique/#findComment-3272143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzerbjørn Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 One of the problems with BoW is that they portray themselves as being all knowing, but after seeing them go over Tau and Space Wolves, I realised that they are just pretending. And sometimes their rules videos have been horrendously wrong as well. And if I can spot them being wrong about the things I know about, how likely is it that they are correct about the things where I don't have enough knowledge to spot the mistakes? I stopped watching their videos a year or two ago and basically haven't bothered since. If I could rely on them not guessing, maybe I would start watching again... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268569-beast-of-war-critique/#findComment-3272145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 I guess they think that scoring Celestials would be good since for a few additional points they have higher chance of surviving a charge when sitting on a objective. Except that they don't, because they're I3 and everyone and their mother has grenades, so having a measly +1 attack basically just means they don't get to use it more. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268569-beast-of-war-critique/#findComment-3272153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacinda Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 I finally saw the video. Funny As Hell! I laughed so much I thought I was going to pee myself. What suprised me was how much detail they were willing to share. Point costs and stats for just about anything. But then you can get all that with things like Battle Scribe or Army Builder. I guess they think that scoring Celestials would be good since for a few additional points they have higher chance of surviving a charge when sitting on a objective. Except that they don't, because they're I3 and everyone and their mother has grenades, so having a measly +1 attack basically just means they don't get to use it more. And T3 so they die just as quickly. And smaller unit size means they are wiped out with fewer wounds. I once used Celestians in higher point games because I could put small flamer squads on the table that take the seldom used Elite slots. With double FOC, they don't even have that going for them any more -- Dominions do it better for cheaper. And that is the bottom line with Celestians; no matter what role you want them to perform, there is another unit that does it better for fewer points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268569-beast-of-war-critique/#findComment-3272224 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Well that's the problem with the internet; people have preconceived ideas of 40K and proceed to preach their view as truth and those who don't know better end up believing it and then perpetuating the misconception. We see it all the time with people thinking the only way to play army x is by using choices 1,2 and 3. Thus we get Net lists dominating the game. Well that's the problem with the internet; people have preconceived ideas of 40K and proceed to preach their view as truth and those who don't know better end up believing it and then perpetuating the misconception. We see it all the time with people thinking the only way to play army x is by using choices 1,2 and 3. Thus we get Net lists dominating the game. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268569-beast-of-war-critique/#findComment-3272275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanska Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Nice comments on the video. Because Sisters of Battle suck ass so bad that nobody could stand to play them enough to "have experience with them". I don't have to eat a spoonful of :P to know I don't want to eat a spoonful of ;). For the video itself even if they would've made some valid points their accent made me laugh. I just can't unhear them talking about sisters of bottle and conlaves full of flatulance. Oh they did make a valid point: immolators are just razorbacks with a overpriced "emperor protects" bumper sticker. Boohoo.. I'd still burn your mutant puppies off the board or die pround trying. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268569-beast-of-war-critique/#findComment-3272342 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Yeah, that was actually the thing that annoyed me most about the WD dex. Immolators lost their fire point and their special rule, which turned them into Razorbacks. Regarding that comment - I was talking to the guy who did those videos linked in the other thread, and he refused to believe that there even is such a thing as an anti-sisters vibe. Sigh. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268569-beast-of-war-critique/#findComment-3272350 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacinda Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Nice comments on the video.Because Sisters of Battle suck ass so bad that nobody could stand to play them enough to "have experience with them". I don't have to eat a spoonful of ;) to know I don't want to eat a spoonful of :). He does not have to eat a spoonful of anything but he will be eating a shovel full of crow after he faces SoB in a tourney. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268569-beast-of-war-critique/#findComment-3272391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
derpasaurus Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 i watched that some time ago and it just made me sad. i don't have much experience with those guys so i cant' say if they've fallen from grace or not, but after that and their chaos dex review, anything of theirs i watch i take with a grain of salt and go into with mostly a morbid curiosity. they discount so much stuff, and they probably hate that one tank the guard gets whose name escapes me at the moment... my friend calls it the golden BB, one S8 shot. guess what!? the exorsist gets a MINIMUM of that and has higher BS, so lololol your argument is invalid. it's not like the old girl has a chance of blowing up when i fire or anything. yes, the "new" "codex" does need some work, and i eagerly await a super sexy new hardcover book with some better rules, but i'm able to make a crazy mean force at around 1000-1500 points. i beat a chaos list quite handily in a playtest proxy-fest. i do take more wounds, but i also outshoot almost anything. so whatever. lol thinking of using some of my christmas money to round out my retributors and then i'll have a somewhat respectable force to throw down for realzies ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268569-beast-of-war-critique/#findComment-3272424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fibonacci Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 I made it as far as them saying SoB are not a competitive army less than 2 minutes in. The whole thing was nearly an hour long and I knew there was no way I could sit through that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268569-beast-of-war-critique/#findComment-3273073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mince on toast Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 when i went looking for reviews to see if someone had a different idea how to run SoB i found that vid... umm why are they telling us the codex sux when they both openly said they lost in the only games vs SoB. then give poor reasons why they lost , end result = you still lost!!! i then thought hey maybey its just this review ,i then looked at the tau codex review.. well that was pretty much the same result . tau are like us each unit has its job just as we are not the all mighty space pups that win every game with out rolling a single dice neither are the tau but a good tau general doesnt just sit there like a IG gunline saying please chop up my army Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268569-beast-of-war-critique/#findComment-3276159 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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