Sororitas Rate-o-Matic

[SinnerBeta]

Then why didn't you lay down your argument first ?

[greatcrusade08]

i believe FM did just that

 

No, this is what you would honestly rate the untis, as compared to the other units.

 

Kyrinov is really, really bad. He's basically a Dialogous (the 'useless one' in the Sororitas Command Squad) with a Power Maul. The only worthwhile thing he does is unlock a Battle Conclave, but Jacobus and generic Confessors also do that and better.

 

as i mentioned before the counter argument that "jacobus is better doesnt make kyrinov bad" does sound a little counter intuitive.

either way we had the chance for open debate and yet people were too concerned with "im right, ergo your wrong" type comments.

lets try to keep the personal stuff aside though chaps, we got there in the end

[SinnerBeta]

I don't believe that was a well laid out argument, merely a "I don't like him so he's bad". But you're right, it's better we avoid something unpleasant so I'll just say I stand by my opinion.

[*Furyou Miko]

Stand by whatever you like as long as you realise you were very rude to me about it.

[SinnerBeta]

I'm at loss of words. After what you posted you still have the... Ok, I'll reply as I replied before: I disagree.

[*Furyou Miko]

You were directly rude and dismissive of me. I just stated opinions.

[SinnerBeta]

I raised a point - you dismissed it. I made an argument for my point - you half-assed a 'his equipment is dumb' response showing just how much respect you have for other people and their opinions, starting the whole thing by yourself, only digging your hole deeper with the tone you set with each one of your posts. And reading through some of other threads today I noticed you have a tendency to slip in some remark that just about borders snide, if not worse.

 

So as I said, I disagree. If you want to feel like a victim, fine. I'm done with this discussion.

[Inquisitor Fox]

Please everyone keep it civil and polite. We can disagree as we all torch heretics in the Emperor's name after all ^_^

[mince on toast]

Kyrinov is quite good, not only having access to the Conclave but carrying around some nice gear that buffs other units around him for only 90 points. His only problem is that both other named characters are way better and being automatic picks, but that speaks more of them than him.

 

totally agree

 

in a straight fight kyrinov is the better choice ,PW + fearless

but to put him with the conclave to buff the unit uriah is better +1A FNP.

 

Ive put him next to sisters unit to give them the fearless buble but ..meh

i play aggressive and dont wanna waste pts on a babysitter when i can

have him crusading on the frontlines

[*Furyou Miko]

If we were to pitch them against each other, with neither side charging, Uriah would have the advantage. Kyrinov's mace will be negated by Uriah's Rosarius, while Uriah's bonus attack is defeated by Kyrinov's two close combat weapons. Which means it comes down to Fearless vs Stubborn... and Uriah has Feel no Pain, effectively getting another chance to ignore 1/3 of all Kyrinov's attacks.

 

The Redeemer is better than a Bolt Pistol, too.

[mince on toast]

If we were to pitch them against each other, with neither side charging, Uriah would have the advantage. Kyrinov's mace will be negated by Uriah's Rosarius, while Uriah's bonus attack is defeated by Kyrinov's two close combat weapons. Which means it comes down to Fearless vs Stubborn... and Uriah has Feel no Pain, effectively getting another chance to ignore 1/3 of all Kyrinov's attacks.

 

The Redeemer is better than a Bolt Pistol, too.

 

spose so i dont have the rulz on me right now but wouldnt the mace "concuss" him if it got a wound through even if uriah passed FNP & 4++

cant remember if FNP ignores the wound and special rulz that applied

 

man i never remember that stupid shotgun when running the conclave

i just get so excited thinking of rolling all those nice PW attacks :yes: just to pick them up and do it again :eek

[greatcrusade08]

spose so i dont have the rulz on me right now but wouldnt the mace "concuss" him if it got a wound through even if uriah passed FNP & 4++

cant remember if FNP ignores the wound and special rulz that applied

 

the concussion/stun effect only applies to unsaved wounds.

a successful FNP or inv save is still a save

[CommissarHarris]

Arch-Confessor Kyrinov

Uriah Jacobus

Saint Celestine

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My choices:

Saint Celestine

Uriah Jacobus

Exorcists

Retributor squads

Sisters Repentia

Dominion Squads

Battls Sisters

Battle Sisters

Seraphim Squads

 

I feel it is better at this point to split the following units out into a category called: 'I have never used'

Ecclesiarchy Battle Conclaves

Penitent Engines

Canoness

Celestian Squads

Sororitas Command Squad

Arch-Confessor Kyrinov

Ecclesiarchy Priests

 

I will eventually field a battle conclave. At present i have no models for them. I am not enamoured with the Crusader models models GW does. So i need to do a little research to find alternatives

[mince on toast]

well after my little going sideways off the topic

 

My choices:

 

Saint Celestine

Exorcists

Ecclesiarchy Battle Conclaves

Uriah Jacobus

Dominion Squads

Seraphim Squads

Retributor Squads

Penitent Engines

Sisters Repentia

Battle Sisters

Arch-Confessor Kyrinov

Canoness

Celestian Squads

Ecclesiarchy Priests

Sororitas Command Squad

 

yes my PE+repentia are higher up the list than most people like but ive found a way to run them with out dying(as much) and i like

watching an army trying in vain to move away from them when they dont die

[greatcrusade08]

yes my PE+repentia are higher up the list than most people like but ive found a way to run them with out dying(as much) and i like

watching an army trying in vain to move away from them when they dont die

 

consider my interest piqued.. please share :tu:

[mince on toast]

yes my PE+repentia are higher up the list than most people like but ive found a way to run them with out dying(as much) and i like

watching an army trying in vain to move away from them when they dont die

 

consider my interest piqued.. please share ;)

 

weeellll 1st things 1st i never actually expect them to live long so plan as such!! :D

 

-were can i put them that will deny areas of the board much like the hellblaster in fantasy

do you really want to get in that danger zone? i sure as hell wouldnt want to deep strike next to multiple PE+repentia units just politely inform your opponent

the possible attacks they can get..

 

-i never expect their pts back either its about denying board space and making the enemy move where you want

so your standard girlz dont get jumped.dominions punish people hugging table edges and exo's blam anything out of reach

 

-whats the best way of protecting them? hugging terrain or behind advancing rhinos? i prefer terrain but if you dont have it buy some for 35pts :)

anyone who uses dreads no they die way to fast in the open playing against competitive IG+elder mates gun lines taught me that

so i use them like nijas :P

[Hanska]

weeellll 1st things 1st i never actually expect them to live long so plan as such!! ;)

 

-were can i put them that will deny areas of the board much like the hellblaster in fantasy

do you really want to get in that danger zone? i sure as hell wouldnt want to deep strike next to multiple PE+repentia units just politely inform your opponent

the possible attacks they can get..

 

-i never expect their pts back either its about denying board space and making the enemy move where you want

so your standard girlz dont get jumped.dominions punish people hugging table edges and exo's blam anything out of reach

 

-whats the best way of protecting them? hugging terrain or behind advancing rhinos? i prefer terrain but if you dont have it buy some for 35pts :D

anyone who uses dreads no they die way to fast in the open playing against competitive IG+elder mates gun lines taught me that

so i use them like nijas :)

I like the way you think.

[RookBartly]

I have recently found that I realyl enjoy running my Repentia. I have discovered that most people fear the crap out of them once they seen what they can do. I tend to field a squad of them in a rhino now and charge it forward. I use them as a diversion unit to absorb fire from the units I REALLY want to keep alive. If they survive the initial rush, I drop them out and have them wreck face on the enemy transports, Termies, or Landraiders.

 

As far a Jacobus, I ALWAYS get him (Her in my case because I use a female model for him) in larger point games. I really need the faith reroll and I love to put him with my repentia. I played a game this last weekend that I was sooooo made I didn't field him. Out of 6 turns, I roll five 1's for my faith points. I tend to roll low for faith points so I need the reroll.

 

 

I miss the old Cannoness. The WD mini dex don't allow for much customization for her. There used to be alot more room for making her useful compaired to now. I used to use Cannoness's all the time, now I NEVER use one because they have become pretty much worthless and St. Celestine droped in points.

 

 

I would say my list looks something like this...

 

St. Celestine

Battle Sister Squad (I find them to be very versital, cheap, and just generally handy)

Retributor Squad

Exorcist

Dominion Squad

Seraphim Squad

Jacobus Uriah

Repentia

Penitent Engines

Arch-Confessor Kyrinov

Ecclesiarchy Priests

Ecclesiarchy Battle Conclaves

Canoness

Celestian Squads

Sororitas Command Squad

[Jacinda]

I did not mean to start a drama thread; maybe I should have just asked for top two and bottom two. But then I am more interested in the middle bits because that tells me how people are using our army. Everyone knows Saint Celestine is the bee’s knees and Celestian squads are always just short of fitting any role. I'm glad to see Repentia making it up to the middle since they were always a favorite unit of mine but the Witch Hunter version made then costly to take, hard to use and way to fragile for a mech-centric version of the main rules.

 

@CommissarHarris

There have been a few threads about people wanting some alternative to Crusaders and Death Cult Assassins. I have seen some crusaders made out of Sisters of Sigmar from the Mordenhiem game line that look nice and help keep a "girls only" look to the army.

 

For DCA, you could try Daughters of the Flame; they look very nice but are slightly larger than GW figures, are not GW models if that means anything to you. I once tried to use a box of Dark Eldar Wytches since there are 6 female torsos in the box. It takes a bit of trimming to crop the ears and most of the spikes from the models to make them a little less DE but they work well enough. In the end I stuck with the GW DCA and put the second weapon across the backs of the models that have one sword.

 

And if you feel up to the conversion work needed, you could use the Sisters of Sigmar for both Crusaders and DCA so the whole unit looks more cohesive. This is something I plan to do some time later like maybe end of this year if I don't find something I like better first :)

[CommissarHarris]

@Jacinda. Thanks for the tips on DCA and crusaders. I will have to look up the daughters of the flame range. I play at a club mostly, "The good the Bad The Bromley", so non GW models does not bother me much. I have just signed up to the Painting challenge and I take Oaths of moment to the Emperor very seriously (for "Emperor": read "Wife", for "Oaths of moment" read: "Promise to paint what i have before adding to the unpainted Mountain"). I will not be moving on any mre models until the current Oath is fulfilled.

 

@RookBarthy: how do you get Repentia in a Rhino? This is probably a dense question and an invite for a flame but Repentia Dont get access to dedicated transport, Jackie only seems to get it if he has bought a conclave? So its Dedicated for a conclave? Sisters can't buy free floating Rhino? What am i missing? I ask mainly because i would love to do this. At the moment i use the "Diving bell" tactic (surrounded by a Rhino/Immolator wall) to get them across the field. I have some success with this, but it does somewhat telegraph your move to the opposition.

[Naminé]

@Jacinda. Thanks for the tips on DCA and crusaders. I will have to look up the daughters of the flame range. I play at a club mostly, "The good the Bad The Bromley", so non GW models does not bother me much. I have just signed up to the Painting challenge and I take Oaths of moment to the Emperor very seriously (for "Emperor": read "Wife", for "Oaths of moment" read: "Promise to paint what i have before adding to the unpainted Mountain"). I will not be moving on any mre models until the current Oath is fulfilled.

 

Another idea I've seen is to use Wood Elf Glade Guard models with Dark Eldar arms, which looks pretty cool and keeps them as GW models.

 

@RookBarthy: how do you get Repentia in a Rhino? This is probably a dense question and an invite for a flame but Repentia Dont get access to dedicated transport, Jackie only seems to get it if he has bought a conclave? So its Dedicated for a conclave? Sisters can't buy free floating Rhino? What am i missing? I ask mainly because i would love to do this. At the moment i use the "Diving bell" tactic (surrounded by a Rhino/Immolator wall) to get them across the field. I have some success with this, but it does somewhat telegraph your move to the opposition.

 

You can buy a Dedicated Transport for one unit, start it on the table unoccupied and then embark with the Repentia on the 1st turn.

 

The drawbacks are of course the lack of ability to charge out of transports, and the fact that you have to perform the ridiculous spectacle of deploying a full unit of models only to remove them immediately from the table.

In my local gaming group, people have begun to allow me to simply start with the Repentia in the Rhino if I wish, to save on time :P

[RookBartly]

It's true that we can't get a rhino without buying it as a dedicated transport. With a dedicated transport, ONLY the unit the the transport was bought for is able to start in it. The thing is after the start of the game, any unit my embark on a transport even if it is a dedicated transport for another unit as long as the embarking unit is able to. IE: infantry unit, does not exceed the carry compasidy of the tranport....

 

So what I do is buy a rhino or an Immolator for my Retributor squad or battle sister squad. I start with the Repentia hiding behind the rhino/Immolator and at the begining on my turn I embark on the transport. At this point I drive the Rhino flat out for its 12+6" movement to get the rhino and them in range. I kick out a squad or two of battle sisters from their transports and the repentia on turn 2 keeping the repentia behind the battle sisters and rhino's since they cannot charage the turn they disembark and turn 3 have them rush what ever vehicle is in range!

 

The two squads of battle sisters blast a nice hole in the enemy lines and cause them to look at the battle sisters for a moment. I also have Dominions arrive via outflank turn 2/3 that draw ALOT of attention. This allows the repentia to be left alone just long enought to do some major damage.

[CommissarHarris]

Sweet! I will have to try this out. I have a game at the Crown and Anchor tonight. I have a list that this this would work for, modify the Diving Bell to shield the Rhino with Immolators, leaving a horrible targeting dilema for the oppo!

 

Its ao crayzee, it might just work!

[greatcrusade08]

weeellll 1st things 1st i never actually expect them to live long so plan as such!! :P

 

-were can i put them that will deny areas of the board much like the hellblaster in fantasy

do you really want to get in that danger zone? i sure as hell wouldnt want to deep strike next to multiple PE+repentia units just politely inform your opponent

the possible attacks they can get..

 

-i never expect their pts back either its about denying board space and making the enemy move where you want

so your standard girlz dont get jumped.dominions punish people hugging table edges and exo's blam anything out of reach

 

i really like the idea of running pen engines down the middle and making enemy hug the table edges, gives outflanking dominions something juicy to target with meltas/flamers.

i never use repentia becuase they dont fit the them, but im thinking running jaccy + 9 DCA in a rhino behind the 3 pen engines will net the same result

[RookBartly]

I like to cause targeting priorities issues with my oppenents. When the dominions arrive and pop two to four of the enemy tanks and heavy hitters, Repentia become a very low priority