Spaniard Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Greetings all, I enjoy reading about the dark angels in the book angels of darkness, but it confussed me a little and i feel a bit lost did the lion really wait to see what side won. What book should i read next to help me fill the void that i feel right now. im sticking with the dark angels no matter what happens ive been so excited to get the new codex ive been calling every store i know just to get the white dwarf mag. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268700-did-the-lion-really-wait-to-see-who-won/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
elphilo Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 I would read the short story The Lion. It is in The Primarchs book. I personally think it helps show what our Primarch's true intentions are. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268700-did-the-lion-really-wait-to-see-who-won/#findComment-3272778 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haranin Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Ravenwing; or goto the HH. Descent of Angels and Fallen Angels would be the HH start. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268700-did-the-lion-really-wait-to-see-who-won/#findComment-3272780 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Before anything, read 'Savage Weapons' from the "Age of Darkness" anthology. This will set the record straight as to where the Lion stood on the matter! ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268700-did-the-lion-really-wait-to-see-who-won/#findComment-3272792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
elphilo Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Before anything, read 'Savage Weapons' from the "Age of Darkness" anthology. This will set the record straight as to where the Lion stood on the matter! ;) Welp looks like I'm buying another book! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268700-did-the-lion-really-wait-to-see-who-won/#findComment-3272798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaniard Posted December 28, 2012 Author Share Posted December 28, 2012 What is the Primarchs book called? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268700-did-the-lion-really-wait-to-see-who-won/#findComment-3272817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleqvin Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 The Primarchs Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268700-did-the-lion-really-wait-to-see-who-won/#findComment-3272821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaniard Posted December 28, 2012 Author Share Posted December 28, 2012 LOL blonde moment, can it be found anywhere? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268700-did-the-lion-really-wait-to-see-who-won/#findComment-3272823 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Blaire Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 A true Son of the Lion will never believe the blasphemous lies dripping from the lips of a Fallen. Their poison issues straight from the dark Gods of Chaos themselves. In short, no, the Lion did not wait to see who won. He was however repeatedly sidetracked by the followers of Arch-Heretic. All of the above suggestions are excellent ones to lead you back to the path of righteousness in our gene-father's eyes. Be faithful, for the eyes of the Inner Circle have surely sought you out for your questioning and all know that at the end of that path is Cell 42... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268700-did-the-lion-really-wait-to-see-who-won/#findComment-3272839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
elphilo Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Yep! You can find it at The Black Library or Amazon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268700-did-the-lion-really-wait-to-see-who-won/#findComment-3272841 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleqvin Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 A true Son of the Lion will never believe the blasphemous lies dripping from the lips of a Fallen. Their poison issues straight from the dark Gods of Chaos themselves. In short, no, the Lion did not wait to see who won. He was however repeatedly sidetracked by the followers of Arch-Heretic. All of the above suggestions are excellent ones to lead you back to the path of righteousness in our gene-father's eyes. Be faithful, for the eyes of the Inner Circle have surely sought you out for your questioning and all know that at the end of that path is Cell 42... ^^^exactly. :) Also you can get it from an LGS most likely if they get GW. It all depends on where you want to get it from and how much you want to pay. You could even go to BL and pay extravagant shipping costs. lqtm Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268700-did-the-lion-really-wait-to-see-who-won/#findComment-3272873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shabbadoo Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 The ongoing story is that the Dark Angels are having it out with the Night lords in a protracted fight that spans years. The Night Lords have been ordered to keep the Ark Angels busy by Horus. I'll not give any further details, but the story Prince of Crows by Aaron D-B, from the HH book Shadows of Treachery, continues the ongoing the tale. Let's just say that the Night Lords are in for some hard times, and that Sevatar is becoming an iconic character worth following in his own right. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268700-did-the-lion-really-wait-to-see-who-won/#findComment-3272964 Share on other sites More sharing options...
facmanpob Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 Greetings all, I enjoy reading about the dark angels in the book angels of darkness, but it confussed me a little and i feel a bit lost did the lion really wait to see what side won. The thing to remember is that Astelan is what is known in literary circles as an unreliable narrator. In other words, you, as the reader, can't be sure anything he says is true! Age of Darkness is a great anthology, and I would highly recommend it. :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268700-did-the-lion-really-wait-to-see-who-won/#findComment-3273400 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onisuzume Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 Think one of the codices or Index Astartes articles already stated that the Lion and the Wolf were racing back to Terra together, with additional delays because of Russ wanted to help a few places to passed en-route. Ramblings of a Fallen aren't to be trusted. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268700-did-the-lion-really-wait-to-see-who-won/#findComment-3273406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Sergeant Bohemond Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 Is the Lion a traitor? No. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268700-did-the-lion-really-wait-to-see-who-won/#findComment-3273597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Amarel Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 Wasn't there once some very old fluff about the guys on Caliban being Loyalists and the Lion's force being Traitor, but once the battle was done and the Lion's force had won word reached them that Horus had lost so they declared for the Emperor? This would have been back when the green armour was first introduced. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268700-did-the-lion-really-wait-to-see-who-won/#findComment-3273689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artemid Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 Wasn't there once some very old fluff about the guys on Caliban being Loyalists and the Lion's force being Traitor, but once the battle was done and the Lion's force had won word reached them that Horus had lost so they declared for the Emperor? This would have been back when the green armour was first introduced. That's pretty much what Astelan claims in a nutshell, but I've never heard it anywhere else, and that would contradict tons of official fluff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268700-did-the-lion-really-wait-to-see-who-won/#findComment-3273700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleqvin Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 What he said ^^^ That would be Angels of Darkness. The book most notoriously known to confuse followers of the DA because Astelan is a Fallen. :rolleyes: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268700-did-the-lion-really-wait-to-see-who-won/#findComment-3273721 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Amarel Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 Wasn't there once some very old fluff about the guys on Caliban being Loyalists and the Lion's force being Traitor, but once the battle was done and the Lion's force had won word reached them that Horus had lost so they declared for the Emperor? This would have been back when the green armour was first introduced. That's pretty much what Astelan claims in a nutshell, but I've never heard it anywhere else, and that would contradict tons of official fluff. Right, I've not read that though, so I guess he's 'repeating it' from an early piece that the new stories contradict (which is a pretty neat bit of bundling up, really). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268700-did-the-lion-really-wait-to-see-who-won/#findComment-3273722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleqvin Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 I don't remember it being said anywhere else beyond Angels of Darkness. There was Eye of Terror but that was really just saying that the Emperor is dead and that the Imperium was not worth following because they know about the Chaos Gods. :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268700-did-the-lion-really-wait-to-see-who-won/#findComment-3273731 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shabbadoo Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 1. Astellan was on Caliban for years while the rest of the DA were away with the Lion. 2. Astellan is not a badarse psyker capable of penetrating the mind of a Primarch (i.e. he hasn't read the Lion's mind, such that he knows with certainty what the Lion's motivations for anything are). 3. We know that Horus sent the DA out to the arse end of space purposely, just to get them out of the way (Horus did this with other Legions too). 4. Astellan was an adherent of Luther, who we know was a pawn of Chaos and lying sack. That makes Astellan a simple dupe (makes for good reading though). And that is just the basic stuff that doesn't really revel any spoilers from fairly recent BL books. Based on just that, we can be pretty sure that the Lion wasn't just waiting around to see who won. A similar thing happens with the Ultramarines by the way- sent on a mission in near Legion strength to the arse end of space by Horus, ambushed/harried by traitors, etc. But I guess Gulliman was just sitting around getting a perm and having his nails done, waiting to see who won too. :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268700-did-the-lion-really-wait-to-see-who-won/#findComment-3273765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemariont Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 A true Son of the Lion will never believe the blasphemous lies dripping from the lips of a Fallen. Their poison issues straight from the dark Gods of Chaos themselves. In short, no, the Lion did not wait to see who won. He was however repeatedly sidetracked by the followers of Arch-Heretic. All of the above suggestions are excellent ones to lead you back to the path of righteousness in our gene-father's eyes. Be faithful, for the eyes of the Inner Circle have surely sought you out for your questioning and all know that at the end of that path is Cell 42... Amen! :o In Spain we´ll get the primarch book in my B´day. 10 janury. Good gift! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268700-did-the-lion-really-wait-to-see-who-won/#findComment-3275331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
twopounder Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 He cut out one of Leman Russ's hearts because he felt Russ was responsible for making him miss the battle for Terra. So... what do you think? :eek Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268700-did-the-lion-really-wait-to-see-who-won/#findComment-3275802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WatchCaptainAzrael Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 He cut out one of Leman Russ's hearts because he felt Russ was responsible for making him miss the battle for Terra. So... what do you think? ^_^ He realized what he had done immediately afterwards and stood by his bedside until he recovered too. Later the two and Dorn swore an oath of brotherhood before going their separate ways. I so hope this piece of old fluff gets into a HH book.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268700-did-the-lion-really-wait-to-see-who-won/#findComment-3275846 Share on other sites More sharing options...
twopounder Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 He cut out one of Leman Russ's hearts because he felt Russ was responsible for making him miss the battle for Terra. So... what do you think? ^_^ He realized what he had done immediately afterwards and stood by his bedside until he recovered too. Later the two and Dorn swore an oath of brotherhood before going their separate ways. I so hope this piece of old fluff gets into a HH book.... My point wasn't who was right or wrong in the matter. The point is that Johnson was obviously very, very angry over missing the defense of Terra. Johnson rarely lost his temper and preferred stoicism over rash action. For something to move Johnson to killing one of his own brothers is quite significant. It pretty much invalidates the whole "DA are traitor who waited to see who won" argument. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268700-did-the-lion-really-wait-to-see-who-won/#findComment-3275854 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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