Demus Ragnok Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 I know the Legions had Predators and Fellblades, but what was the common tank for the Imperial Army? Do any of you all know of referance to a common MBT other than/before the Leman Russ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268707-tanks-of-the-crusadeheresy/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 According to Imperial Armour 1: Imperial Guard, the Leman Russ Executioner is the oldest known variant of the Leman Russ tank. And during the Great Crusades, entire Imperial Army Regiments were equipped with it. From this we can deduce two key points. The Leman Russ blueprint is an STC design which predates the Great Crusade, and therefore the Space Marine Legions would have had access to this vehicle if desired. The Leman Russ was probably not called this prior to the Great Crusades at the earliest, or more like not until the Horus Heresy. My own Great Crusade-era Legion fields limited numbers of "Warrior Main Battle Tanks", using a mix of Leman Russ Executioners and Leman Russ Vanquishers as IG Allied Heavy Support. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268707-tanks-of-the-crusadeheresy/#findComment-3272880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 If I remember it was mentioned the malcador was the main battle tank before the Leman Euss was widely used. However I also remember that the STC for the leman Russ battle tank was discovered by the space wolves. I could be mistaken though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268707-tanks-of-the-crusadeheresy/#findComment-3272944 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Angel Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 That has never been said but the name implies it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268707-tanks-of-the-crusadeheresy/#findComment-3273013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Antipodes Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 I was thinking about this while reading KNF & Betrayer. Could the Malcador-pattern have been renamed at some point since it was fairly common then (thus probably an STC) later on and/or after the heresy? Not necessarily the Leman Russ itself but one of the MBTs stiLl in use. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268707-tanks-of-the-crusadeheresy/#findComment-3273070 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Angel Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 The Malcador is a super heavy tank with 2 SP. The Russ by comparison only as big as a Rhino Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268707-tanks-of-the-crusadeheresy/#findComment-3273081 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don the Oiler Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 I'd hold my breath on this one. Most of the vehicle fluff was written by Forgeworld, and while they tend to be the branch with the most... stable fluff (compared to the one written by GW and BL), they already have changed some vehicle background so they could include them in their Horus Heresy armylists. Now even if HH stays a "Space Marine" game, maybe at some point they'll be getting Imperial Army auxiliaries. I'm sure they'll be writing a word or two regarding every vehicle's background again, and i also think they won't rely on new FW models exclusively. Maybe the Space Wolves will even get their Leman Russ Executioner "back". I have yet to receive my copy of IA: Imperial Guard 2nd edition, maybe some stuff has already been rewritten/ fleshed-out. All that said, fluff-wise i'd prefer different vehicles just for the sake of keeping the HH era... different. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268707-tanks-of-the-crusadeheresy/#findComment-3273149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 the leman russ battle tank was named so because the space wolves legion, on their way to terra, saved the forgeworld producing the leman russes. To me this implies that the leman russ design wasn't spread that much Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268707-tanks-of-the-crusadeheresy/#findComment-3273156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count the7 Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 there is fluff out there that The Imperial Army were using the Land Raider and Rhino. Untill The Land Raider was removed from Army service to make up short falls in Legion Land Raider Numbers due to attrition during the Heracy. + duplicate posts removed + Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268707-tanks-of-the-crusadeheresy/#findComment-3273229 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGPO Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 Back in the Rogue Trader days the Imperial Guard/Army had access to the Land Raider and Rhino. This was covered in the updated fluff by saying that these vehicles used to be more common place, but due to increasing rarity and attrition were made exclusive to the Astartes by the Emperor at some point during the Heresy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268707-tanks-of-the-crusadeheresy/#findComment-3273649 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 the leman russ battle tank was named so because the space wolves legion, on their way to terra, saved the forgeworld producing the leman russes. To me this implies that the leman russ design wasn't spread that much IIRC it wasnt just one forge world- the SWs were very busy on their way back to Terra. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268707-tanks-of-the-crusadeheresy/#findComment-3273709 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onisuzume Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 the leman russ battle tank was named so because the space wolves legion, on their way to terra, saved the forgeworld producing the leman russes. To me this implies that the leman russ design wasn't spread that much IIRC it wasnt just one forge world- the SWs were very busy on their way back to Terra. Much to the Dark Angel's chagrin who wanted to get to Terra as fast as they could. I imagine the Lion being pretty angry with Russ when they found out they were too late. Also, wasn't it just the Leman Russ Exterminator (TLAC variant) that they had something with? I remember the puppies getting them in their army lists as a thank-you for something (but only the Exterminator variant). In M41, at least, they're produced in the millions, while the Imperial Army fielded, as mentioned earlier, entire regiments of the Executioner variant. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268707-tanks-of-the-crusadeheresy/#findComment-3274393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 the 3rd edition mentions we got acces to the leman russ exterminator in recognition of their primarch. i've quickly scanned my IA 1 and guard codexes but couldn't locate the source where I got that part of the space wolves saving the forgeworld from... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268707-tanks-of-the-crusadeheresy/#findComment-3274466 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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