Are Iron Hands the Fall Guys?

[Kol Saresk]

Except that Ferrus Manus did try to go kamikaze at Isstvan V. That's why he only charged in with 10,000 of his Vetans while the rest of his Legion was still trying to reach Isstvan V. Ironically, the fewest losses and the fewest survivors of the Loyalists at Isstvan belongs to the X Legion.

 

Hmm, possible line of thought. In Feat of Iron, Ferrus reprimands someone for trying to remove his bionics, right? And according to the IA article, one of the longer standing beliefs of the Iron Hands is to hate weakness. Weak children on Medusa are cast out into the wild. If they survive, they survive. But they only do it to the weak children, not all children.

 

If we directly translated that, then the Iron Hands should only hate flesh when it hinders them, like a missing or heavily damaged limb. Is it possible that this belief was magnified from "hating weak flesh" to simply "hating all flesh"?

[Greyall]

To be honest, as much as I like that transcription, I'm not entirely sure Ferrus really wanted to deviate from said path. He knew it, of course, but for someone who can "already" see the path of madness ahead, he plans to procrastinate a lot (end of the Crusade) before correcting an ever-burrowing belief among his Legion. Plus his stance in public was that of a tough-as-nails guy. Not dumb by any measure, but these words read like an innermost fear creeping through him. The kind that you then put down to go about your duties.

 

Proof of that is Ferrus was the one who decided to say and spank Fulgrim at Isstvan. Can't say I wouldn't have done the same, and he nearly won too, but there you go...Either way, today's Iron Hands are a pretty scary bunch, almost on the same "ally-danger" level as the Flesh Tearers, and those at least have some measure of excuse running through their arteries.

 

@Kol_Saresk: It probably had more to do with Ferrus' hands, like the transcript states, but I'm sure watching your fellow Marine use his now-bionic arm to go through a Nob's armoured torso puts some bright ideas in the wrong heads.

[Emperor's Furor]

To be fair Ferrus was trying to dissuade his sons from taking to many bionics before his fall, it was in a short story which was set on Ibsen where he was working with Mortarion and Vulkan. He states he sees the adoption of bionics as a sort of disease and after the crusade is over he will do his utmost to correct it. It's the same short story where an Eldar attempts to get Ferrus to work with him.

[Kol Saresk]

I think that was the novella Promethean Sun.

[Emperor's Furor]

Nah Promethean Sun focused on Vulkan's point of view of the war, the short story I've just found is Feat of Iron in The Primarch anthology.

[Kol Saresk]

Ah. Apologies.

[Wade Garrett]

To be fair Ferrus was trying to dissuade his sons from taking to many bionics before his fall, it was in a short story which was set on Ibsen where he was working with Mortarion and Vulkan. He states he sees the adoption of bionics as a sort of disease and after the crusade is over he will do his utmost to correct it. It's the same short story where an Eldar attempts to get Ferrus to work with him.

Quotation needed, because I've read "Feat" and I don't remember anything like that.

 

Oh, and the Eldar attempt to get Ferrous to work with them is to murder a bunch of his sons with sorcery, kidnap the Gorgon and stick him in a magical labyrinth, AND they let a Slaanesh daemon creep in and try to kill the X Primarch because when Eldar have bad ideas, they go all out with them.

 

And the quote from the beginning of Wrath of Iron says it is attributed to Ferrous. Whether or not he actually said any such thing is left deliberately unclear.

[Emperor's Furor]

Maybe I was getting mixed up between wrath and feat as it was Henircos Bion who was against the legion embracing bionic but also the quote at the beginning of Wrath of Iron as you say supposedly comes from Ferrus.

[Emperor's Furor]

 

To be fair Ferrus was trying to dissuade his sons from taking to many bionics before his fall, it was in a short story which was set on Ibsen where he was working with Mortarion and Vulkan. He states he sees the adoption of bionics as a sort of disease and after the crusade is over he will do his utmost to correct it. It's the same short story where an Eldar attempts to get Ferrus to work with him.

Quotation needed, because I've read "Feat" and I don't remember anything like that.

 

Oh, and the Eldar attempt to get Ferrous to work with them is to murder a bunch of his sons with sorcery, kidnap the Gorgon and stick him in a magical labyrinth, AND they let a Slaanesh daemon creep in and try to kill the X Primarch because when Eldar have bad ideas, they go all out with them.

 

And the quote from the beginning of Wrath of Iron says it is attributed to Ferrous. Whether or not he actually said any such thing is left deliberately unclear.

It was a different Eldar I think, although I can't be sure, elements in Vulkan Lives seem to indicate not all Eldar are on the same page as each other.