GAZ_AV_NZ Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 HiIf you are reading this then expect a major spoiler.Ive come to these conclusions after talking to people who know GW staff about direction of 40k and connecting the dots and reading current books.This is what is expected to happen unless GW change there plans7th Edition will be after the emperor dies and is reborn?GW are looking to end it soon and start againHH and aftermath books are taking us to that point and will need to catch us all upit will take a few years to do so so 7th cant start till books and fluff is up to dateThe new Malcador Book has the two lost legions numbers on the cover.Im curious as to what the book goes into about them if anythe cover may just be a teaserThey are in fact not lost.The Emperors Body is cloned below the palace in Stasis.When he dies he will go into that.Alongside 2 Other Primarchs and there legions in stasis.Stories were made up to the other legions about where they went.The others were not to know but they were still alive.Even chaos could not see them.Malcador or the Emp likely did something to shield them all.Its possible they are in the web way but we think most likely under the palace which is massively vast.All the stores talk about the emperor working on the web way when infact he was working on the two legions.The Emperor foresaw his death and his return and the civil war that would occur upon his death.When he comes out his will need two full legions to assist him in returning to power.The custodes are vast and increasing in numbers as well and while very high in numbers they are not marines as such not 100,000+ each and designed for legion war.General expectations are that there is little if no chaos left in the web ways due to eldar assistance by the time the emp dies.Erebus / Lorgar saw the chaos legions losing at Terra, from the way it is written he or Lorgar warned about Horus losing and warned his colleagues but none listened.Horus I believe knew his possible losing and death.Depends on how you take how things are said in the book.Perhaps chaos was arrogant and saw it winning no matter what.So numerous individuals saw this all ahead of time is the point of what I'm saying.Two new legions will give alot of people something new to model. My original statementFerrus Manus lives in a maze where Night Haunter toys with him confirmed in a HH book out now ( not saying which one - read and see ) ( Edited I confirm Ferrus is dead, confirmed by Horus who looks at his leering skull face in one of the HH audio books released. He is dead - confirmed. It is not stated who is in a maze made by Pertarubo that he gifted to Naught Haunter. Naught haunter uses this to taunt someone as discussed by Perts -the person is unnamed but the comment made indicates they are of very high intelligence like a primarch - they are someone special ? Vulkan prehaps? Vulkans novel will come out soon. That will shed light on where he is. Perts made a similar maze to his inner sanctum that confused all his officers going in. While Space marine heads can be reconnected after beheading and for a primarch that is nearly indestructible this is no problem. But Ferrus is totally dead)See Emperors Children example.Fabius Bile would have reconnected Manus head.Sang, Lion, Russ, Corax, Gulli,Vulkan, Khârn they will all return in the end timesWill Rogal Dorn come back? hard to say if he will as his has parts here and there. I think he is dead.Alpha legion may return to fight for loyalists as they sided with chaos as recommended by the cabal but are not mutated - with any powers.Lorgar is in contemplation will he become loyalist again?The rest are likely lost to ChaosChaos is a major enemy but I think necrons or nids may be the ultimate threatChaos is now aware of Necrons and the threat they pose so they could turn to fight them.This thread is my opinion and those of a small group of friends.I''m interested in others opinions about the lost legions but this is what we think will happen etc.Please feel free to discuss the LL and there return and the Primarchs who may return with them Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268965-lost-legions-and-emperors-return-hh-speculation/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Colossus Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 This is so unlikely in my opinion. I mean, 40k is about a stagnant human empire, caught up with bureaucracy. The Emperor, the Primarchs and the Lost Legions are never coming back. Although, why hasn't the Emperors body been cloned? That's an interesting idea... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268965-lost-legions-and-emperors-return-hh-speculation/#findComment-3276276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 So... rather than this being a spoiler laden thread, it's basically a speculative bonanza? ^_^ Forgive me for saying so but seeing as we are so early into 6th edition a lot of this seems like a morass of wild guesses and mistakes to me (for example Ferrus Manus being alive, let alone being a plaything for the Night Haunter). Speaking to people 'who know' the GW staff doesn't really strike me as a concrete source tbh, as all to often these particular people are lying - if you have proof of any of this, then fair enough, if not then the thread title is just sensationalism. Some of this could very well be ripe grounds for discussion but I'm under the impression very little of this is spoilers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268965-lost-legions-and-emperors-return-hh-speculation/#findComment-3276279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex567 Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 Some of the stuff mentioned above sounds really cool and would be fun to happen, but games workshop makes to much money at the moment to end 40k, how would they have an 8th or possibly 9th edition rule book if 40k had ended, if the primarchs came back it'd be really cool, but they would be too powerful for gaming standard and every "beginer" army would include one. My personal opinion is that GW will continue the Horus heresy series for a few dosen more books, before they meet with the final battle. As for the 40k system the imperium will slowly become more warbound, and we will see more complex rules and units, although unlikely I wouldn't be supries if in the next ten years we saw a new codec emerge as either a new race or a sub division of a current race. As for the custode, they are not a fighting force, custode fights individualy evan though they are formed into units (read first heretic), so it would be difficult to make a sufficient fighting force to conquer the galaxy with, as for the remaining two legions several primarchs signed an oath of silence on the matter, as such the witnesed the events, again making it unlikely for there to be a "rouse" as Horus would not be as easily desieved as you or I are.I don't think lorgar will become loyal, he was the true son of chaos and due to his past events with the emperor is extremely unlikely to turn back to him. I believe ferrus manus to be well and truly dead, when fulgrim struck him he was filled with I believe daemonic warp energy which stripped his soul away, I don't disagree with a concept of head reatachment, but I believe mannus more exploded then died, his existence snuffed from the galaxy, i.e. nothing to save. I believe Night haunter is dead, so "cat and mouse" would be quite difficult. I believe Horus did not think he would die he believed the emperor would be to weak physically and mentally to over come him. No matter what I've said before, it all boils down to that gw I believe make to much money from the hobby and taking it in such direction as to have an ending would result in massive loss of money, gw I believe wont introduce primarchs as it will as previously mentioned break the game system, with the current HH: betrayer primarch stat lines, other races such as orks or eldar haven't a hope in hell of matching marines at 1000 pts when they have a primarch stomping across the board at them, this would ruin the game for beginner players and remove a large portion of their valued income, the way I see it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268965-lost-legions-and-emperors-return-hh-speculation/#findComment-3276282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavement Artist Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 I think you misunderstand the setting if you believe that GW are going to bring the emperor back in 7th edition. 40k is a setting, a backdrop for hobbyists to fight battles within. It isn't a serialized drama where the plot moves on. The current timeline of 40k is set just before the end of everything. That's where us lot come in. We make these stories of war and kinda sorta heroism all set at 2 minutes to midnight. As a side note, these people who know GW staff will have as little idea as anyone about the direction of 40k. ESPECIALLY if they just work in stores. They literally know nothing more than us lot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268965-lost-legions-and-emperors-return-hh-speculation/#findComment-3276288 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowMaster Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 After reading this I lolled pretty hard since I've spoken to people at GW and BL for 5 years now and know exactly where 40K is going. A human character will usurp the Emperor's power and create 20 new legions from his own DNA. He will then wage war vs humanity with the goal of killing every human thus destroying the warp. He will do all this for this the beautiful farseer of Biel-Tan. The new Emperor will then create a massive psychic beacon and draw every life-form in the universe to it. A huge battle will erupt where everyone will die in a huge explosion. The Eldar recreates their Empire and after 1 million years they degenerate into the dark eldar just like the last time, one again giving birth to Slaanesh. Slaanesh then gets complete and utter dominion of the entire universe. There you have it good folks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268965-lost-legions-and-emperors-return-hh-speculation/#findComment-3276292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Colossus Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 Edit: Comp went crazy haha and doubled posted. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268965-lost-legions-and-emperors-return-hh-speculation/#findComment-3276297 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onisuzume Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 Well, it'd most certainly be pretty much of a downer ending. Getting a "happy end" after all the grimdark just doesn't feel right. I believe Night haunter is dead, so "cat and mouse" would be quite difficult. Well, the fluff about his death sure makes it look that way. As a side note, these people who know GW staff will have as little idea as anyone about the direction of 40k. ESPECIALLY if they just work in stores. They literally know nothing more than us lot. Eh, often enough they know even less. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268965-lost-legions-and-emperors-return-hh-speculation/#findComment-3276300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 Hmm, I think these people who "know some of the GW staff" need to reveal their sources. Of course, that would mean that if they actually are part of GW staff then GW would know who to hit for breaking the NDA but hey, if you're willing to break a contract that you signed you would follow, you shouldn't have a problem with takin one for the team. ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268965-lost-legions-and-emperors-return-hh-speculation/#findComment-3276302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 Warning, massive ground breaking spoiler ahead : That will not happen. Ever. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268965-lost-legions-and-emperors-return-hh-speculation/#findComment-3276303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ambroz Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 Wow there is so much just completely wrong here. The main thing though is GW is never going to go into depth on the Lost Legions and it's unlikely that they'll ever kill the Emp. They won't do anything with the LL because it is a mystery and I think that's the way they intend to keep it. As for the Emp dying, well they're making too much money now as is. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268965-lost-legions-and-emperors-return-hh-speculation/#findComment-3276305 Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Foes Remain Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 Warning, massive ground breaking spoiler ahead : That will not happen. Ever. This plus, like, ... a million. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268965-lost-legions-and-emperors-return-hh-speculation/#findComment-3276318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 Ferrus Manus lives in a maze where Night Haunter toys with him confirmed in a HH book out now ( not saying which one - read and see )Space marine heads can be reconnected after beheading and for a primarch that is nearly indestructible this is no problem. See Emperors Children example. Fabius Bile would have reconnected Manus head. Lorgar is in contemplation will he become loyalist again? To lie well one should inject a little truth, someone once said. Ferrus Manus is dead. Horus keeps his skull as a paper weight. Thats in a HH book but I won't tell you which one. Vulkan is in Night Haunters maze. That may or may not yet be confirmed in the heesy. Night Haunter is dead. Lorgar IS A DAEMON PRINCE. He will never turn back from the true path of chaos. Other than the above I give the OP points for creativity.(golf clap) Good job this was entertaining. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268965-lost-legions-and-emperors-return-hh-speculation/#findComment-3276320 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowMaster Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 so this thread was actually worked out like this {Instert Bizzareness] = profit? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268965-lost-legions-and-emperors-return-hh-speculation/#findComment-3276337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Foes Remain Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 so this thread was actually worked out like this {Instert Bizzareness] = profit? To be fair, thats probably how 40k started off to begin with. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268965-lost-legions-and-emperors-return-hh-speculation/#findComment-3276342 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowMaster Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 so this thread was actually worked out like this {Instert Bizzareness] = profit? To be fair, thats probably how 40k started off to begin with. LOL Good one^^ But somehow you still managed to offend me :/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268965-lost-legions-and-emperors-return-hh-speculation/#findComment-3276353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Tyler Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Note that I've removed the "Spoiler" tag in the topic title and replaced it with "Speculation" since that's what this topic is. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268965-lost-legions-and-emperors-return-hh-speculation/#findComment-3276600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lepaca Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Yeah, if that's what happens I'll go and eat a broom stick... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268965-lost-legions-and-emperors-return-hh-speculation/#findComment-3276619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobointherain Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 The wrongness! IT BURNS! :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268965-lost-legions-and-emperors-return-hh-speculation/#findComment-3276665 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Vaddon Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 I sort of want to urge ADB to reply to this post. Just for the laughs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268965-lost-legions-and-emperors-return-hh-speculation/#findComment-3277342 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Yeah, if that's what happens I'll go and eat a broom stick... Careful what you say, someone might hold you to it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268965-lost-legions-and-emperors-return-hh-speculation/#findComment-3277372 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brannick Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Then again, how do we know Gaz is not right? Perhaps he could be......................Alpharius? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268965-lost-legions-and-emperors-return-hh-speculation/#findComment-3277863 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAZ_AV_NZ Posted January 18, 2013 Author Share Posted January 18, 2013 Thanks for your comments. At the end of the day GW have to move the plot on. The HH Series is already saying things and moving us in that direction. Alot of my comments are actually more based on the book series comments and codexs and the hidden meanings or actual statements. The HH books have actually said more than alot are aware especially in the more recent series. Full of hidden content. As I've said Peutrabo built a special labyrinth for the naught haunter as he says in the HH book - the ANGEL EXTERMINATUS It says it was made for a very capable prisoner. Unless its Vukan? but Peutrabo says he doesn't know where Vulkan is so it wouldn't be Vulkan then. It has to be Manus. If it isn't then who is it? Who else would be held in it at the that time. Its a a prison to test their intelligence so who was around that he enjoyed toying with. I'm quoting the book but no one has actually given any ideas who it is? Comments? The SIGILLITE audio drama will hopefully expand on the lost legions more in his audio drama. The emperor foresaw his death, its very clear so he figured out how to return as well and he put two legions in stasis to assist. Its very logical and I've heard no logical argument to counter it. Its easy to do for the emperor, making stories for his sons about them and how they went astray as warnings. Its great for GW for selling future minis. GW has to move the plot on as 40k cannot stay as it is as it will stagnate. Its pretty much starting to catch up with all the books and the HH series has to be done first before it can move on. If you read all the fluff in all codexs and books there is always the mention of the end time. Read codex grey knight codex regarding the end times, when all is lost they use a key device with the astronimican. Maybe that starts it all off and reincarnates the emperor?. When the HH series is done and the FW Primarchs are all sculpted and all the rules out for HH battles - 7th should be out and i think it will happen then HH series is moving quite fast now and will be done by 7th edition. When the Primarchs return the minis will be there for them. The story goes with there marketing. Me and my small group of gamers all think GW needs to move the game on in 7th - there needs to be changes in the setting and I think you will find it does happen. If it stays the same ill lose alot of interest. I enjoy 40k but its also the stories behind it. The rulebook hints at the end times being close so they will do it i reckon in 7th. The most important aspect is 7th is also an auspicious number to use so i think it would be 7th edition it happens. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268965-lost-legions-and-emperors-return-hh-speculation/#findComment-3287711 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Full of hidden content. As I've said Peutrabo built a special labyrinth for the naught haunter as he says in the HH book - the ANGEL EXTERMINATUS It says it was made for a very capable prisoner. Unless its Vukan? but Peutrabo says he doesn't know where Vulkan is so it wouldn't be Vulkan then. It has to be Manus. If it isn't then who is it? Who else would be held in it at the that time. Its a a prison to test their intelligence so who was around that he enjoyed toying with. I'm quoting the book but no one has actually given any ideas who it is? Comments? Full of hidden content is what people say to justify an over active imagination. I will way this...one...last...time. Ferrus...Manus...is...dead. Just because Perturabo built Night Haunters maze doesn't mean he would have any idea what or whom is in it. The 40k universe is tipping on the brink. There is no hope. And raising the dead (primarchs and Emperor) won't further the narrative it will end it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268965-lost-legions-and-emperors-return-hh-speculation/#findComment-3287779 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Týr Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Thanks for your comments. At the end of the day GW have to move the plot on. The HH Series is already saying things and moving us in that direction. Alot of my comments are actually more based on the book series comments and codexs and the hidden meanings or actual statements. The HH books have actually said more than alot are aware especially in the more recent series. Full of hidden content. As I've said Peutrabo built a special labyrinth for the naught haunter as he says in the HH book - the ANGEL EXTERMINATUS It says it was made for a very capable prisoner. Unless its Vukan? but Peutrabo says he doesn't know where Vulkan is so it wouldn't be Vulkan then. It has to be Manus. If it isn't then who is it? Who else would be held in it at the that time. Its a a prison to test their intelligence so who was around that he enjoyed toying with. I'm quoting the book but no one has actually given any ideas who it is? Comments? The SIGILLITE audio drama will hopefully expand on the lost legions more in his audio drama. The emperor foresaw his death, its very clear so he figured out how to return as well and he put two legions in stasis to assist. Its very logical and I've heard no logical argument to counter it. Its easy to do for the emperor, making stories for his sons about them and how they went astray as warnings. Its great for GW for selling future minis. GW has to move the plot on as 40k cannot stay as it is as it will stagnate. Its pretty much starting to catch up with all the books and the HH series has to be done first before it can move on. If you read all the fluff in all codexs and books there is always the mention of the end time. Read codex grey knight codex regarding the end times, when all is lost they use a key device with the astronimican. Maybe that starts it all off and reincarnates the emperor?. When the HH series is done and the FW Primarchs are all sculpted and all the rules out for HH battles - 7th should be out and i think it will happen then HH series is moving quite fast now and will be done by 7th edition. When the Primarchs return the minis will be there for them. The story goes with there marketing. Me and my small group of gamers all think GW needs to move the game on in 7th - there needs to be changes in the setting and I think you will find it does happen. If it stays the same ill lose alot of interest. I enjoy 40k but its also the stories behind it. The rulebook hints at the end times being close so they will do it i reckon in 7th. The most important aspect is 7th is also an auspicious number to use so i think it would be 7th edition it happens. I'm sorry but to me it dosen't seem to be you understand the principles of 40k. I know ADB has been around this and there is no way GW will ever tell anything fact about any lost legions. Neither will the universe expand beyond the 41 millenium. Warhammer 40k is a setting. It is not a universe. The setting is about humanity at the brinck of destruction. It's about how humanity will die a slow and violent death. Just like GW would never take fantasy into the equivalent of our 21'st century then warhammer 40k will never evolve. It is stagnant. So it has always been and so it will always be. To me it seems you are basing what you call fact on wild guesses and lose asumptions. It's okay to have ideas, but be very careful to make it fact because it isn't. If it says Ferrus Manus is dead in a book then he is dead (a fact) until it later says Ferrus Manus isn't dead (another fact). Until that happens he is dead and gone for good. And remember Horus Heresy isn't warhammer 40k. They have links to each other but horus heresy is a universe within the 40k setting. You say your ideas are very logical but I have to say they are not.If all fact we have at the moment say the Emperor toys with a webbay, then it's not logical he is doing something else. You have no fact telling you the emperor forsaw his death. We know from The Outcast Dead he learns about a possible future where he has to sacrafice everything to prevent the enemy from winning. But it is not logical that he from that revelation, suddenly makes two legions and puts them into stasis and discover a way to come back from death. This is only guessing and assumptions. Logic would dictate he accepted his fate and made nessecairy arrangements before the end. You have very interesting ideas but unfortunatly you have nothing to back it up. Only vague guessing and assumptions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268965-lost-legions-and-emperors-return-hh-speculation/#findComment-3287889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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