Vesper Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 The SIGILLITE audio drama will hopefully expand on the lost legions more in his audio drama.The emperor foresaw his death, its very clear so he figured out how to return as well and he put two legions in stasis to assist. Its very logical and I've heard no logical argument to counter it. Hopefully ? - It would be a total disaster for the franchise - GW will never allow it. Then, if the only proofs you have to back it up, is "hopefully in the future", and "At the end of the day GW have to move the plot on", I dare say you aren't well versed in the ways to make people believe you. You should definetly lie like crazy. For example, don't say "The SIGILLITE audio drama will hopefully expand on...", say "I saw what you could call a leak of the Sigillite audio drama and let me tell you, the whole truth is set on the Lost Legions. Who could have known ! They're held in stasis beneath the Imperial Palace ! Yeah, I know it makes no freaking sense when you think about the battle of Terra... But I had another look at a future novel that makes that work just fine : they had no batteries to power their optical lenses ! Yeah, that's unfortunate, but for the end of time, the Emperor, with his awesome spirit, prepared a huge load of batteries to power his two secret legions of awesomeness". Long story short : what you are saying makes no sense but is freaking funny. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268965-lost-legions-and-emperors-return-hh-speculation/page/2/#findComment-3287907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwatch/Grey knight Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 first of all i like your conclusion and that would be cool if it happened but how do you explain the othe daemon primarchs returning and a few mistakes and ive just finished angel exterminatus and i dont think perturabo said he didnt know where vulcan was first of all kroeger asked who was the captive of the night lords and the primarch just changed the subject and its not true that alpha legions do not have mutations they do -hunt for voldorius and it would make sense if the primarchs 2 and 11 are in stasis i mean remember the the convo between dorn and malcador in mechanicum????? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268965-lost-legions-and-emperors-return-hh-speculation/page/2/#findComment-3289069 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artein Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 They won't bring back the Lost Primarchs. Ever. They'll just tease us with them here and there, like they're already doing. Nothing more. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268965-lost-legions-and-emperors-return-hh-speculation/page/2/#findComment-3289190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Thanks for your comments. At the end of the day GW have to move the plot on. The HH Series is already saying things and moving us in that direction. Alot of my comments are actually more based on the book series comments and codexs and the hidden meanings or actual statements. The HH books have actually said more than alot are aware especially in the more recent series. Full of hidden content. That may or may not be true. A lot of times this is simply used to create very random lines of thought and call it "a possible future." For example, A D-B wrote The Emperor's Gift. In it is a statue of a Founding Member of the Grey Knights hold a Chain-Glaive. A D-B also wrote Prince of Crows and created a character known as Jago "Sevatar" Sevatarion who uses a chain-glaive and is KIA under apparently unclear circumstances. Therefore, Sevatar must be a Grey Knight. Granted, that is the fully abridged and probably exaggerated version as several dozens of points were brought as to why Sevatar might have been a Grey Knight and why it would have been completely...weird is the best word I'm coming up with so I'll use that one. As I've said Peutrabo built a special labyrinth for the naught haunter as he says in the HH book - the ANGEL EXTERMINATUSIt says it was made for a very capable prisoner. Unless its Vukan? but Peutrabo says he doesn't know where Vulkan is so it wouldn't be Vulkan then. It has to be Manus. If it isn't then who is it? Who else would be held in it at the that time. Its a a prison to test their intelligence so who was around that he enjoyed toying with. I'm quoting the book but no one has actually given any ideas who it is? Comments? I could say that it was for Sevatar and that after he escaped the Dark Angels he returned only to be punished by being trapped in a labyrinth. As there is no established timeline that I am aware of that correlates Angel Exterminatus to have happened before, during or even after the events in Prince of Crows, there is a chance I might be right. Then again, it could be Vulcan. From the two Salamanders we have seen in the post-Massacre part of the series, neither is aware of whether or not Vulcan is alive. But then again, neither has been in contact with their Legion either. So Vulcan's fate is unknown. Although the little tidbit from Betrayer that says Angron knows enough about Vulcan's situation that he believes Vulcan would wish that he had died on Istvaan. But again, no clear indication of a correlation of events. Manus is dead. That is beyond a doubt an irrefutable fact. his head is a paperweight and Fulgrim has admitted to only being pestered by a ghost of his own creation. The SIGILLITE audio drama will hopefully expand on the lost legions more in his audio drama. The emperor foresaw his death, its very clear so he figured out how to return as well and he put two legions in stasis to assist. Its very logical and I've heard no logical argument to counter it. Logical: The Emperor was unaware of his own death until he was shown the vision of his death by an astropath in The Outcast Dead. While it may be a complete clusterbomb where the timeline is concerned, it is still a part of the lore. And in it, the Emperor says that he didn't foresee the Heresy happening and that even in the midst of the Heresy, he cannot see beyond it. GW has to move the plot on as 40k cannot stay as it is as it will stagnate. The only move to ever advance the plot was the EoT Campaign and the Medusa 5 campaign as the former decided how the 13th Crusade would end(with Abaddon breaking through Cadia and beginning his march on Terra) and the former being an event after the 13th Crusade led by one of Abaddon's Four Lieutenants. Since then, GW has retconned it so Medusa 5 never happened and the 13th was a draw and now we are at the point where the lore has been retconned to neither event has taken place. Full of hidden content is what people say to justify an over active imagination. Or create conspiracy theories. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268965-lost-legions-and-emperors-return-hh-speculation/page/2/#findComment-3289211 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwatch/Grey knight Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 um at the end of the outcast dead cant remember the name of the man but im pretty sure his last game regicide with the emperor his last convo was "but you will die"( cant remember the start havent read it for a while) and the BIG E replied he said i know and thats what confused me at first this was around the time magnus sent the warning so if the emperor knew why did send he send the wolves and ive got the answer he sent the wolves to bring magnus back so he still had a plan for magnus but horus crushed that plan by telling russ to attack instead Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268965-lost-legions-and-emperors-return-hh-speculation/page/2/#findComment-3289718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Krieg Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Hey, OP. You and your "sources" do realize that Games Workshop has just made a huge leap in the setting's timeline? With the 6th edition? And that it was a leap back, retconning the whole freaking 13th Crusade out of existence? Yeah, sure, Emperor's coming back. This May in cinemas near you Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268965-lost-legions-and-emperors-return-hh-speculation/page/2/#findComment-3289836 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 um at the end of the outcast dead cant remember the name of the man but im pretty sure his last game regicide with the emperor his last convo was "but you will die"( cant remember the start havent read it for a while) and the BIG E replied he said i know and thats what confused me at first this was around the time magnus sent the warning so if the emperor knew why did send he send the wolves and ive got the answer he sent the wolves to bring magnus back so he still had a plan for magnus but horus crushed that plan by telling russ to attack instead Page 440 of The Outcast Dead. Kai Zulane(the Astropath) reveals the vision. As the vision was in his head and he was then thrown back to another part of his mind in which the Emperor happened to be, it is logical that the Emperor was there for the show. Especially since on page 446, there is this little convo: 'Did you see?' asked Kai, already knowing the answer.'I saw what Sarashina hid within you, yes.' And then on the very bottom of page 447 is the little snip you are talking about. So logically, according to the series of events, the Emperor would say "I know" at the end of the conversation since he was there for the beginning of it. And the timeline in The Outcast Dead was a clusterbomb because Prospero happened around the same time as Istvaan III although the series' established timeline has it happening just before, but only slightly. Then The Outcast Deadcomes along and has the vision arriving after Istvaan III and the Wolves being sent in response to the vision, which also destroyed the barrier that was protecting Terra from the Broken Webway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268965-lost-legions-and-emperors-return-hh-speculation/page/2/#findComment-3289878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando_Furioso Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Sorry, don't believe a word of it, pure speculation at the very best Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268965-lost-legions-and-emperors-return-hh-speculation/page/2/#findComment-3289885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost_angel Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Just to add my own two pence. The Emp gets the vision of his death in Outcast Dead as the Heresy is unfolding but had already instructed the primarchs to keep their mouths shout about the fate of the lost legions years before. Some interesting ideas but not really feeling this tbh. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268965-lost-legions-and-emperors-return-hh-speculation/page/2/#findComment-3289959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMarko Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 @Kol if someone so cool as Sevatar becomes a GK I will kill myself with a spoon..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268965-lost-legions-and-emperors-return-hh-speculation/page/2/#findComment-3290367 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ambroz Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 @Kol if someone so cool as Sevatar becomes a GK I will kill myself with a spoon..... Ditto but with a toothpick Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268965-lost-legions-and-emperors-return-hh-speculation/page/2/#findComment-3290426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Hey now, I didn't say it would happen or that I even thought it should(which I don't.) Just that this TOPIC thought about it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268965-lost-legions-and-emperors-return-hh-speculation/page/2/#findComment-3290430 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Vaddon Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Willing to bet that all the haters out there would become complete fanboys if ADB did it, since it'd be guaranteed to be completely, logically, and unequivocally awesome. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268965-lost-legions-and-emperors-return-hh-speculation/page/2/#findComment-3290438 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ambroz Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Not even ADB could make me like GKs with the addition of Sevatar. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268965-lost-legions-and-emperors-return-hh-speculation/page/2/#findComment-3290444 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Willing to bet that all the haters out there would become complete fanboys if ADB did it, since it'd be guaranteed to be completely, logically, and unequivocally awesome. No I wouldn't. While Sevatar may not be the epitome of the Jason Vorhees school of Night Lords, he makes a very nice Freddy Krueger. A man like that don't make the right kind of person to be a Grey Knight. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268965-lost-legions-and-emperors-return-hh-speculation/page/2/#findComment-3290448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Vaddon Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 If Krueger Eversors can be loyal, so can Sevatar. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268965-lost-legions-and-emperors-return-hh-speculation/page/2/#findComment-3290454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Except that Sevatar has already spat on his loyalty to the Emperor. And killed his brothers in both his own Legion and the Legions he once share Fellowship with. And he even cut out the tongue of his newest "brother," the Captain with no company, he who is known as *drumroll* The Raven! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268965-lost-legions-and-emperors-return-hh-speculation/page/2/#findComment-3290456 Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmapa Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 A man like that don't make the right kind of person to be a Grey Knight. it'd be weird but I think a totally ruthless man fits perfectly with the grey knight modus operandi of doing what must be done even if it means killing innocents and mind scrubbing loyal astartes.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268965-lost-legions-and-emperors-return-hh-speculation/page/2/#findComment-3290463 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 True, but the Grey Knights are supposed to also be known for unflenching loyalty to their cause. Sevatar's unflinching loyalty lies with the Night Haunter, not the Emperor and not the Imperium of Mankind. At least, not that I have seen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268965-lost-legions-and-emperors-return-hh-speculation/page/2/#findComment-3290467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Vaddon Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Except that Sevatar has already spat on his loyalty to the Emperor. And killed his brothers in both his own Legion and the Legions he once share Fellowship with. And he even cut out the tongue of his newest "brother," the Captain with no company, he who is known as *drumroll* The Raven! Care Bears can do wonders for a man ... or Astartes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268965-lost-legions-and-emperors-return-hh-speculation/page/2/#findComment-3290476 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwatch/Grey knight Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 im sorry but wasnt there a story about the GKS bathing in blood of saints or something like that sounds something like a NL so sevator could be Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268965-lost-legions-and-emperors-return-hh-speculation/page/2/#findComment-3290588 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 No, there wasn't. There was a story in which the Ecclesiarchy who makes their weapons were consecrating the bolter shells with the blood of the devout faithful. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268965-lost-legions-and-emperors-return-hh-speculation/page/2/#findComment-3290626 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Off of the sev talk, I agree with kol on this two primarch crud. The 13th black crusade is the start of the end times but no one knows what will happen the emperor is slowly dying, this is confirmed and the emperor could foresee possible outcomes for the future. His dying words to dorn were along the lines of keeping the imperium together and that he foresaw this outcome as a possibility but luckily wasn't as bad as it could have been. Lorgar manus and even Horus have said that what happened to the other primarchs is to not be spoken of. The marines were most likely inducted to the ultra marines and keeping the identity of the legions forever secret allows for people to create there own chapters due to there not being any solid fluff. The emperor will die the elder will finally die out and release there god to fight slanesh chaos will reign until the nids and necrons annihilate all the sentinent life once and for all destroying chaos. Then there will be nothing and the Big Bang will re occur and then it starts again. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268965-lost-legions-and-emperors-return-hh-speculation/page/2/#findComment-3373304 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Vaddon Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 ...you necro'd this post with that? smh Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268965-lost-legions-and-emperors-return-hh-speculation/page/2/#findComment-3374056 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soraf Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 IMHO, 40k would be boring with the emperor revived, it wouldnt be the same without the primarchs...thats sort of the point. Humanity has fallen and will never conquer the stars as it did. If anything from that mythical time (great crusade/horus heresy) were to return, the mystique of both those eras would vanish and the setting would suffer for it.As for the missing primarchs, i think that the community is at a point where, if any substantial parts of their story were revealed, people wouldn't be as satisfied as they think they would be. Truthfully, our interest in them is derived from our imaginations of them. :3 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268965-lost-legions-and-emperors-return-hh-speculation/page/2/#findComment-3375549 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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