Tournament(please help)

[Khaines wrath]

Hello guys I'm just here because my grey knights are fairly new and I'm new to the army( not to the hobby) but I'm going to be up against some experienced players. We are all doing a tournament and had to submit a army list and we all got a copy of each others army to strategise etc but I realised some players on here are far better so I decided I'd get some help

 

My list is

Kaldor

Librarian w mastery lvl 3 halberd 2x skull smite, vortex and rift

10x paladin w apothecary, 3x psycannons,incinerator, 7x halberd, 2x hammer, banner psybolt all master crafted

Strike squad w psycannon, halberd, hammer in a rhino w extra armour storm bolter searchlight and hunter killer

Dreadknight psycannon (hammer/ sword I don't know) teleport

 

One is running

2 squads of thousand sons w sorcerers and bolt and melta bombs

In a rhino w havoc launcher

Sorcerer w bolt wind of chaos and wings tzeentch and melta bombs

10 terminators w auto cannon flamer, mark of nurgle 3 chain fists 2 lightning claws 3 combi weapons

Chaos marines aspiring champ with powerfist plas pistol icon chaos heavy bolter and melta bombs

Chaos space marines w tzeentch champ with power sword plas pistol heavy bolter pas gun

Predator w top las cannon and side las cannons w extra armour and combi wep

Chaos slaanesh lord with daemon wep and power fist

 

Another is using

Captain combi flamer artificer armour power fist melta bombs and digital weapons hellfire rounds on a bike

Vulcan he'stan

Master of forge w conversion Beamer and storm bolter

Vulnerable dreadnought w stormbolter and assault cannon

Dreadnought

Tactical squad w chain sword missile launcher and flamer in rhino w 2 storm bolters

Scout squad close combat weapons heavy bolter and camp cloaks

3 scout bikes Sargent w power sword grenade launcher and cluster mines

Bike squad w plas pistol power fist melta gun multi melta and attack bike

Devastator squad w 3 plasma cannons and las cannon

 

And

Tyranid player who because is new gets to not submit his list but gets ours but he has lots of lictors in his list a few zoanthroapes maybe doom of malan'tai death leaper and lots of termagaunt mother tyranid who has lots of kids( tervigon I think) and warriors (unknown hq) and a hell load of genestealers with broodlords

 

Please help guys give me some tactics and what they should do so I can avoid it

Thanks in advance

[Axagoras]

Do you have any dreadknights? Because those dominate.

[adamv6]

Vulnerable dreadnought

 

Fielded a few of them in my time :lol:

[Zeratul29]

ok, that vanilla marine list makes no sense, you should have no worries with that list, though the only concerning thing are the dreads and the dev squad, for chaos just avoid the terms.

 

the nids you may have a problem because of your low model count, pray he doesnt ignore your paladins. Because ignoring your paladin death blob are the best way to defeat them

 

Vulnerable dreadnought

 

Fielded a few of them in my time <_<

 

This made me smile :P

[Gentlemanloser]

This made me smile

 

It's funny, cuz it's true! :lol:

[Khaines wrath]

Do you have any dreadknights? Because those dominate.

Yes 1 like I said

[Reclusiarch Darius]

Kaldor

Librarian w mastery lvl 3 halberd 2x skull smite, vortex and rift

10x paladin w apothecary, 3x psycannons,incinerator, 7x halberd, 2x hammer, banner psybolt all master crafted

Strike squad w psycannon, halberd, hammer in a rhino w extra armour storm bolter searchlight and hunter killer

Dreadknight psycannon (hammer/ sword I don't know) teleport

 

What point level is this? Please say 2,000

 

This is what I would use at that point level. It has way more scoring, you still have melee threat with the TDA blob (and its way cheaper than Draigostar), and you can match any of those lists at long range with the multiple shooty warbands. You also have the DK for eating backfield problems like tanks or Devastators.

 

HQ:

 

Coteaz

(100 points)

 

(3) Inquisitor w/sword+bolt pistol, Divination

(55 points)

 

Elites:

 

(2) Flame Knight w/halberd, Purifier w/hammer, 4 x Purifiers w/halberds,

4 x Purifiers w/psycannons

(295 points each)

 

Troops:

 

(4) 3 x Servitor w/plasma cannon, 9 x Acolytes

(96 points each)

 

Justicar w/warding stave, Terminator w/Bro Banner, 2 x Terminators w/halberd+psycannon,

2 x Terminators w/halberds, 4 x Terminators w/hammers

(495 points)

 

Heavy Support:

 

Dreadnought w/2 x twin-autocannons, psybolts

(135 points)

 

Dreadknight w/greatsword+teleporter

(230 points)

 

 

2 squads of thousand sons w sorcerers and bolt and melta bombs

In a rhino w havoc launcher

Sorcerer w bolt wind of chaos and wings tzeentch and melta bombs

10 terminators w auto cannon flamer, mark of nurgle 3 chain fists 2 lightning claws 3 combi weapons

Chaos marines aspiring champ with powerfist plas pistol icon chaos heavy bolter and melta bombs

Chaos space marines w tzeentch champ with power sword plas pistol heavy bolter pas gun

Predator w top las cannon and side las cannons w extra armour and combi wep

Chaos slaanesh lord with daemon wep and power fist

 

This list is terrible. The only things to worry about here are the Terminator blob (1k sons are just cannon fodder for plasma cannons, 4+ invul breaks to blasts). The CSM squads have terrible weapon loadouts, probably a hangover from 4th edition.

Triple-las Pred is decent, but you have PsyDreads and DK to kill it, he doesn't have enough armour to provide saturation (Rhinos are completely ignorable, disable Turn 1 then don't care).

 

Captain combi flamer artificer armour power fist melta bombs and digital weapons hellfire rounds on a bike

Vulcan he'stan

Master of forge w conversion Beamer and storm bolter

Vulnerable dreadnought w stormbolter and assault cannon

Dreadnought

Tactical squad w chain sword missile launcher and flamer in rhino w 2 storm bolters

Scout squad close combat weapons heavy bolter and camp cloaks

3 scout bikes Sargent w power sword grenade launcher and cluster mines

Bike squad w plas pistol power fist melta gun multi melta and attack bike

Devastator squad w 3 plasma cannons and las cannon

 

Way too much stuff on the Captain, his core gear of artificer+powerfist is nice though, he'll still get eaten by the DK though (don't even need to turn on force weapon)

Vulcan, wow this is guy is living in 5th edition

Forgemaster is eh, just move into range so he's stuck with AP4 lol

Dreadnought will die to your PsyDreads

Tac squad is a joke, double storm bolter on the Rhino, lul wut?

Scout squad is easily kill, and you can probably ignore them (one BS3 heavy bolter isn't much)

Bikers might flank and murder the Henchmen, kill them with the DK on the way up

Bike squad has to hit the brick wall of the TDA blob. He is silly for not bringing his own Terminators, especially at 2k

Devs are not bad, overpriced though so the Henchmen or DK will clean them up

 

 

Post the Tyranid list when you can. Hopefully he has better list building skills than the others.

[.Torch.]

Captain combi flamer artificer armour power fist melta bombs and digital weapons hellfire rounds on a bike

Vulcan he'stan

Master of forge w conversion Beamer and storm bolter

Vulnerable dreadnought w stormbolter and assault cannon

Dreadnought

Tactical squad w chain sword missile launcher and flamer in rhino w 2 storm bolters

Scout squad close combat weapons heavy bolter and camp cloaks

3 scout bikes Sargent w power sword grenade launcher and cluster mines

Bike squad w plas pistol power fist melta gun multi melta and attack bike

Devastator squad w 3 plasma cannons and las cannon

 

Isn't this list illegal anyway?

 

I doubt this list is dead on 2000pts, there's sort of a second primary detachment thing going on in there and most Tournament organizers have it FAQ'd so you can only take one.

 

3 HQ's and only 3 Troops. So even if you were taking an extra primary detachment it wouldn't add up.

[Khaines wrath]

Believe it or not by the sound of what you guys are saying I'm the only one under 1750 pts which is the limit(I will be posting the tyranids army list, which turns out since the salamander player said he didn't submit a list was unfair since he could do what I was doing and we couldn't do it back so he is using his older space wolves which I will be posting in about 14 hrs if lucky) thanks for help please keep doing so

[Reclusiarch Darius]

Isn't this list illegal anyway?

 

I doubt this list is dead on 2000pts, there's sort of a second primary detachment thing going on in there and most Tournament organizers have it FAQ'd so you can only take one.

 

3 HQ's and only 3 Troops. So even if you were taking an extra primary detachment it wouldn't add up.

 

Yeah, that is weird. Maybe its a Biker Captain? That would bring the Bikers into Troops, and the list would make more sense then....dunno man

 

Believe it or not by the sound of what you guys are saying I'm the only one under 1750 pts which is the limit(I will be posting the tyranids army list, which turns out since the salamander player said he didn't submit a list was unfair since he could do what I was doing and we couldn't do it back so he is using his older space wolves which I will be posting in about 14 hrs if lucky) thanks for help please keep doing so

 

There is no way their lists are 1,750. I'm surprised yours is, my back of the hand calcs suggested 2k. For 1,750, drop one of the Purifier squads and the hammer off the other Purifier squad, then buy an Aegis line with the spare 50 points.

[.Torch.]

Yeah, that is weird. Maybe its a Biker Captain? That would bring the Bikers into Troops, and the list would make more sense then....dunno man

 

Even with the Biker Captain he still only had three Troops as the Captain only makes Space Marine Bikers Troops, not Scout Bikers.

 

I think as long as the OP follows the example Darius has laid out above he shouldn't have any trouble against these guys. Just because they've been in the hobby longer than you, doesn't mean you can't wipe the floor with them. I don't want to sound harsh, but they don't seem to be building very competitive lists.

 

I take it this is a friendly tournament seeing as there are only four players. Even so, you might want to check that your friends understand how the Force Organisation chart works, I've found even experienced players seem to be mis-reading the "extra Primary Detachment" bit sometimes. It'll also protect you against shenanigans.

 

Don't forget to put up a report! :D