Mantras Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Was recently re reading Fulgrim and came across something that bothered me. When Fulgrim goes to sway Ferrus Manus to his side, he tells him that "Lorgar is already with us, and Mortarion soon will be". This was all part of him trying to convince Ferrus to side with Horus. Yet, why then when they are Isstvan V are the loyalist forces surprised when the Word Bearers turn traitor? edit reason: typo Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269177-word-bearers-at-isstvan-v/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Ermm, he didn't beleive him? :cuss Weak i know... Anybody else? That's a nice one :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269177-word-bearers-at-isstvan-v/#findComment-3278741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vile Siren Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Yeah i would have to go with Ferrus not believing Fulgrim! It does sound like a weak answer but still if you think about it there is sense to be found. Would you believe evrything your fould traitor brother told you if he turned to choas? Anyways i think you get my point. Thats my thoughts on it or Graham got a little bit sloppy and if he did oh well he could have done worse :cuss Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269177-word-bearers-at-isstvan-v/#findComment-3278761 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WatchCaptainAzrael Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Was recently re reading Fulgrim and came across something that bothered me. When Fulgrim goes to sway Ferrus Manus to his side, he tells him that "Lorgar is already with us, and Mortarion soon will be". This was all part of him trying to convince Ferrus to side with Horus. Yet, why then when they are Isstvan V are the loyalist forces surprised when the Word Bearers turn traitor? edit reason: typo Option 1) BL authors can't get their cuss together for long enough to write a coherent narrative. Option 2) Ferrus was busy mumbling about the flesh being weak and forgot to tell his brothers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269177-word-bearers-at-isstvan-v/#findComment-3278762 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Ridcully Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Ferrus does come across as the type who would be fooled by logar going "Me? A traitor? Certainly not my dear brother, now go down headfirst against an enemy fortification, what these brutally murdered humans on alters carved with blasphemous runes? They slipped onto our disco decorations, flesh is weak and all that. Don't believe our treacherous brother, remember Flesh is weak, iron strong, so just let your marines chop their limbs off and replace them with crude bionics and off you go". Yeah, his short story in the primarchs really did not help him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269177-word-bearers-at-isstvan-v/#findComment-3278861 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lepaca Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Was recently re reading Fulgrim and came across something that bothered me. When Fulgrim goes to sway Ferrus Manus to his side, he tells him that "Lorgar is already with us, and Mortarion soon will be". This was all part of him trying to convince Ferrus to side with Horus. Yet, why then when they are Isstvan V are the loyalist forces surprised when the Word Bearers turn traitor? Hah, never saw that. Good catch! On a side note: Although the Iron Hands are one of my least favourite legions I think that Ferrus gets the short end of the stick A LOT. :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269177-word-bearers-at-isstvan-v/#findComment-3278866 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Ferrus was a tool, Actually the BL writers make him look like a tool, his whole legion is full of tools, Must cut hand off. Seriously flawed logic with the flesh is week argument. Like others have said thats a good catch. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269177-word-bearers-at-isstvan-v/#findComment-3278930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Visitor13 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Ferrus even fought against Fulgrim with a tool, if a certain illustration is to be believed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269177-word-bearers-at-isstvan-v/#findComment-3278951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Was recently re reading Fulgrim and came across something that bothered me. When Fulgrim goes to sway Ferrus Manus to his side, he tells him that "Lorgar is already with us, and Mortarion soon will be". This was all part of him trying to convince Ferrus to side with Horus. Yet, why then when they are Isstvan V are the loyalist forces surprised when the Word Bearers turn traitor? edit reason: typo Here's something you have to remember, Ferrus Manus didn't care. He rushed towards Istvaan with only his First Company, not even his entire Legion. He went rushing into the fight looking for Fulgrim and when he saw him, blazed a path straight for him, which saw Ferrus dead. He was so pissed off that he didn't mention it in the tactical briefing(which I think we see some of) so he was the only one who knew that at least one of the "Loyalist" Legions were about to turn Traitor. It's a bit of stupidity mixed with a temporary lack of not thinking mixed with a lack of uncommon common sense. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269177-word-bearers-at-isstvan-v/#findComment-3278958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Tbh, the writing of Ferrus in the early books was appalling, as a Primarch he was one dimensional and simply used a plot point as opposed to being a central figure with his own ideas and agenda, he was so one dimensional he was as Angron was at that point, complete with single minded anger. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269177-word-bearers-at-isstvan-v/#findComment-3278959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lepaca Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 his whole legion is full of tools Most of them even attached to Iron Hands in place of normal limbs! Sorry, couldn't resist. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269177-word-bearers-at-isstvan-v/#findComment-3278963 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Ferrus was a tool, Actually the BL writers make him look like a tool, his whole legion is full of tools, Must cut hand off. Seriously flawed logic with the flesh is week argument. What is the flaw of logic there? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269177-word-bearers-at-isstvan-v/#findComment-3279184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WatchCaptainAzrael Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Ferrus was a tool, Actually the BL writers make him look like a tool, his whole legion is full of tools, Must cut hand off. Seriously flawed logic with the flesh is week argument. What is the flaw of logic there? EMP grenades. :huh: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269177-word-bearers-at-isstvan-v/#findComment-3279237 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 EMP grenades. :huh: That stuff doesn't affect them. Only queer technology from Eldar did so far. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269177-word-bearers-at-isstvan-v/#findComment-3279247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WatchCaptainAzrael Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 EMP grenades. :huh: ... queer technology from Eldar ... Heh. :blink: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269177-word-bearers-at-isstvan-v/#findComment-3279254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arachnid99 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 EMP grenades. :lol: That stuff doesn't affect them. Only queer technology from Eldar did so far. Yeah because Marines are never going to have to face Eldar... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269177-word-bearers-at-isstvan-v/#findComment-3279684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Yeah because Marines are never going to have to face Eldar... Faced with such Eldar tech, god help any other Astartes Legion because it can meddle with every technical equipment. Astartes without proper functioning armor and weapons are already meat. Besides it was a one time occurence. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269177-word-bearers-at-isstvan-v/#findComment-3279852 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Yeah because Marines are never going to have to face Eldar... Faced with such Eldar tech, god help any other Astartes Legion because it can meddle with every technical equipment. Astartes without proper functioning armor and weapons are already meat. Besides it was a one time occurence. Giant magnets then, would affect the IH, power armour is not metal so other marines would be fine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269177-word-bearers-at-isstvan-v/#findComment-3279865 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MordentHex Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Didn't he take a giant sledgehammer to the skull? (rhetorical) I think that would make even a primarch forget a few things after the fact. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269177-word-bearers-at-isstvan-v/#findComment-3279969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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