Isiah Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Well done on getting this off the ground Kaster Krieg -- it's normally something I like to look at but glad to see you are taking it on . Strange regarding Asmodai -- especially as most power-armoured SMs get a bolt pistol as standard gear with their grenades anyway [edit: and he still gets grenades]. Cheers I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onisuzume Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 I honestly think that some of these Codex woes are simple Cut-Paste errors. It should have been proofed better before mass production, as it looks like they actually left in things from the old Codex as rules Easy for you to say. Since I follow BattleTech a bit as well (which had a blog about the development of one of its books), proof-reading can get real bad, sometimes up to the point that on the day of the deadline you get a list of a few hundred errors when the proof-reading has been going on for weeks. Sometimes it may seems quite obvious, but reading the almost-same text dozens of times really isn't helping. And knowing GW, they don't hire outsiders for proof-reading either. Speaking of which, I failed to notice that for some reason it didn't copy the text I intended; the irony... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Blaire Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Easy for you to say. Since I follow BattleTech a bit as well (which had a blog about the development of one of its books), proof-reading can get real bad, sometimes up to the point that on the day of the deadline you get a list of a few hundred errors when the proof-reading has been going on for weeks. Sometimes it may seems quite obvious, but reading the almost-same text dozens of times really isn't helping. And knowing GW, they don't hire outsiders for proof-reading either. Speaking of which, I failed to notice that for some reason it didn't copy the text I intended; the irony... True, but there are technical ways around some of the issues that appear to be simple Copy-Paste flubs. I'm not all that nonplussed about the grammar or "fluff" section errors, but I would have rather had them focus on the rules to have them better polished for print. It's also possible the type-setters simply flubbed and mass printed things with rules left out of sections, etc, or printed with a day or two old version, rather than the version they got the morning printing was supposed to start, etc. There are a lot of reasons it could have happened, just wish it hadn't. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Krieg Posted January 13, 2013 Author Share Posted January 13, 2013 Well done on getting this off the ground Kaster Krieg -- it's normally something I like to look at but glad to see you are taking it on . Thanks, mate. I'm an editor / translator myself, so it's kinda what I do In regard to the "usual GW editing quality" people are moaning about - you must be joking. The DA Dex is about 250-300k characters, circa 150-165 normalized pages. It's statistically impossible to avoid a dozen or so such mistakes, at the very least. I worked on several books way larger books (think World of Darkness RPGs, rulebooks which have four times the page count and about 5-6 times the text volume of this dex), with three professional editors toiling over the largest of these and we still did not manage to avoid several typos, misprints and a skipped paragraph in one place (though I'd blame the DTP team there ). When our cheaper competition took over, the errors in an identical online errata I made went into hundreds per 300-page thick book. Seriously, be happy people, because this dex and the previous dex were edited very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Immolator Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Well having done the job myself as an outsider once, I have to say that the idea of giving the final 'edited' soon to be printed material to somebody who knows what he is reading but is not part of the editorial team is gonna save you a lot of trouble and mistakes. And then finalize it. It is true that if you read something ten times you will start 'reading' things that don't exist. I even 'read' Asmodais pistol, because I felt it should be there. Anyways though, Id agree its unavoidable but for a limited edition overpriced book Id expect a tad bit less carelessness. just my 2c. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Krieg Posted January 13, 2013 Author Share Posted January 13, 2013 I keep hearing from people that the limited edition run is actually WORSE, just as if they printed those 2000 limited dexes first and then realized that there were a lot of errors, proofread it once again and went to print with the regular version. Which sucks abysmally for the people who paid for the limited run, horrible deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDoc Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Standard of Destruction - the rules for SoD say "all boltguns", which (in accordance with the p. 56 BRB weapon classification) means that everything from bolt pistol to Vulcan Mega Bolter (all of them listed under "boltguns" heading and described as such) becomes a Salvo 2/4 weapon in the SoD's range. Obviously, only bolters were intended (which also includes combi-bolters, but not storm bolters, heavy bolters, etc.). I'm not quite sure why you insist on stating that the rules for the Standard of Devastation say "all boltguns" when they say no such thing.The only mention of boltguns in the Standard's rules is, and I quote, "In addition, all friendly Codex: Dark Angels units within 6" of the standard treat their boltguns as Salvo 2/4 weapons.", no mention of "all boltguns" in there at all. Edit - Unless the Digital Codex has completely different rules to the physical book I don't see where its coming from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Blaire Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Techmarines are not specifically excluded from taking a Ravenwing Command Squad while mounted on a Bike like they are specifically excluded from taking a Command Squad while on foot, Page 96. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffJedi Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Azrael also lacks a bolt pistol and has one in his holster. That means he has 4 attacks instead of 5 in CC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion El Jason Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Azrael is listed as having a bolt pistol in his entry, its missing in the army list. On another forum there is a question over watchers (Both Lion Helm and Perfidious Relic) as there is no specific rule saying they don't take up space in a transport. I have said "They play no part in the game" is sufficient but... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Krieg Posted January 14, 2013 Author Share Posted January 14, 2013 Lion: It's just a token, not an actual model, so no need to be concerned with it :) Bryan: Adding this, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feuermann Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 I will be editing this thread as people point out editing problems. Belial may or may not have an Iron Halo. It's in his description, not in his listing. spanish dex: he got iron halo in both Armoury does not have Plasma Talons as Rapid Fire. spaish dex: they have rapid fire Darkshroud Land Speeder has Stealth in its entry, while in the description it's Shrouded and gives Stealth to others. spanish dex: stealth and gives shrouded The Nephilim's missiles have Missile Lock, but are not of a scattering Blast / Large Blast / Ordnance / Barrage type. Possible that the rule was intended for the Dark Talon instead. Page 67 - Lion's Roar. the final sentence of the italicised paragraph refers to the weapon as "Lion's Wrath". Page 96 - Ravenwing Command Squads "may take a banner from the Relic Banners section of the wargear list." There is no such section so this should say "Sacred Standards", like the other command squads.\ sacred standars in spanish Asmodai's complete lack of shooting weapons is a potential omission of at least a bolt pistol, given that his Blades are a Specialist Weapon and cannot be used in combination with the Crozius. Additionally, even the new model has a holstered bolt pistol on it. The same in spanish. Onli crozius and the ap- sword Standard of Destruction - the rules for SoD say "all boltguns", which (in accordance with the p. 56 BRB weapon classification) means that everything from bolt pistol to Vulcan Mega Bolter (all of them listed under "boltguns" heading and described as such) becomes a Salvo 2/4 weapon in the SoD's range. Obviously, only bolters were intended (which also includes combi-bolters, but not storm bolters, heavy bolters, etc.). Techmarines are not specifically excluded from taking a Ravenwing Command Squad while mounted on a Bike like they are specifically excluded from taking a Command Squad while on foot, Page 96. same in spanish version O.o Everyone's welcome to chime in. Actual bugs, typos and other editing / proofreading problems, not "broken" rules, please. Thanks! this is the firts tima that i see more errata in at the original book that in the spanish one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Krieg Posted January 14, 2013 Author Share Posted January 14, 2013 Yeah, but that's likely because translations are done at the HQ now, not locally, and obviously there's further layers of proofreading so they might be allowed to alter the main text and fix some errors they have found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellios Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Yeah, but that's likely because translations are done at the HQ now, not locally, and obviously there's further layers of proofreading so they might be allowed to alter the main text and fix some errors they have found. Yeah, but that's likely because translations are done at the HQ now, not locally, and obviously there's further layers of proofreading so they might be allowed to alter the main text and fix some errors they have found. I won't argue with you on the editing if that is what you do buy, I would suggest that that GW work on communication. If the people working on the Spanish, German and French versions picked up on mistakes... Why did this never make it back to the English version? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disruptor_fe404 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Azrael has a 'pistola bolter' in the Spanish Codex. EDIT: And that's both bestiary and army list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlauG Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Just to chime in, if I remember right from my time there, most of GW's translation is done by a single, multitalented person. No idea how many layers of editing goes on though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleqvin Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 I will be editing this thread as people point out editing problems. Belial may or may not have an Iron Halo. It's in his description, not in his listing. Armoury does not have Plasma Talons as Rapid Fire. Darkshroud Land Speeder has Stealth in its entry, while in the description it's Shrouded and gives Stealth to others. The Nephilim's missiles have Missile Lock, but are not of a scattering Blast / Large Blast / Ordnance / Barrage type. Possible that the rule was intended for the Dark Talon instead. Page 67 - Lion's Roar. the final sentence of the italicised paragraph refers to the weapon as "Lion's Wrath". Page 96 - Ravenwing Command Squads "may take a banner from the Relic Banners section of the wargear list." There is no such section so this should say "Sacred Standards", like the other command squads.\ Asmodai's complete lack of shooting weapons is a potential omission of at least a bolt pistol, given that his Blades are a Specialist Weapon and cannot be used in combination with the Crozius. Additionally, even the new model has a holstered bolt pistol on it. Standard of Devastation - the rules for SoD say "all boltguns", which (in accordance with the p. 56 BRB weapon classification) means that everything from bolt pistol to Vulcan Mega Bolter (all of them listed under "boltguns" heading and described as such) becomes a Salvo 2/4 weapon in the SoD's range. Obviously, only bolters were intended (which also includes combi-bolters, but not storm bolters, heavy bolters, etc.). Techmarines are not specifically excluded from taking a Ravenwing Command Squad while mounted on a Bike like they are specifically excluded from taking a Command Squad while on foot, Page 96. Everyone's welcome to chime in. Actual bugs, typos and other editing / proofreading problems, not "broken" rules, please. Thanks! Was it stated anywhere Official that the Plasma talons were rapid fire in the first place? Shouldn't it be "Standard of Devastation" I already adjusted it in my quote for you. Standard of Devastation - the rules for SoD say "all boltguns", which (in accordance with the p. 56 BRB weapon classification) means that everything from bolt pistol to Vulcan Mega Bolter (all of them listed under "boltguns" heading and described as such) becomes a Salvo 2/4 weapon in the SoD's range. Obviously, only bolters were intended (which also includes combi-bolters, but not storm bolters, heavy bolters, etc.). I'm not quite sure why you insist on stating that the rules for the Standard of Devastation say "all boltguns" when they say no such thing.The only mention of boltguns in the Standard's rules is, and I quote, "In addition, all friendly Codex: Dark Angels units within 6" of the standard treat their boltguns as Salvo 2/4 weapons.", no mention of "all boltguns" in there at all. Edit - Unless the Digital Codex has completely different rules to the physical book I don't see where its coming from. Pg. 66 C:DA says Boltguns and PG. 56 on BGB says Boltguns are considered Bolt pistol, Boltgun, Storm bolter, Heavy bolter and Vulcan Mega bolter. That's where he is getting it I am guessing. It probably is just reading into it too close and it is meaning just litterally Boltgun as in Bolters. Belial's description has comosed in the Tactical precision rule instead of composed. just a silly typo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kear Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Ran into an issue with Rad charges and Stasis Anomaly. "Every model in a unit hit by one or more.. " etcetc Since they are blast effects, it made me wonder if this means: a ) Every model that got hit the blast template. b ) All the models in the unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onisuzume Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 "In a unit hit by" Seems pretty clear to be A, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheezeFezt Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 iPad version, downloaded 1/11 11 pm PST. Belial may or may not have an Iron Halo. It's in his description, not in his listing. [iPad] he got iron halo in both Armoury does not have Plasma Talons as Rapid Fire. [iPad]: they have rapid fire Darkshroud Land Speeder has Stealth in its entry, while in the description it's Shrouded and gives Stealth to others. [iPad]: Shrouded gives Stealth. The Nephilim's missiles have Missile Lock, but are not of a scattering Blast / Large Blast / Ordnance / Barrage type. Possible that the rule was intended for the Dark Talon instead. [iPad]: No mention of Missile Lock.. Page 67 - Lion's Roar. the final sentence of the italicised paragraph refers to the weapon as "Lion's Wrath". [iPad]: No references to Lion's Wrath. Page 96 - Ravenwing Command Squads "may take a banner from the Relic Banners section of the wargear list." There is no such section so this should say "Sacred Standards", like the other command squads.\ [iPad] Sacred Standards Asmodai's complete lack of shooting weapons is a potential omission of at least a bolt pistol, given that his Blades are a Specialist Weapon and cannot be used in combination with the Crozius. Additionally, even the new model has a holstered bolt pistol on it. [iPad] No pistol in either the description nor army list. Pix of him show him wielding the Blade of Reason and a crozius arcanum. Guess that means the pistol holster is for show. Standard of Destruction - the rules for SoD say "all boltguns", which (in accordance with the p. 56 BRB weapon classification) means that everything from bolt pistol to Vulcan Mega Bolter (all of them listed under "boltguns" heading and described as such) becomes a Salvo 2/4 weapon in the SoD's range. Obviously, only bolters were intended (which also includes combi-bolters, but not storm bolters, heavy bolters, etc.). Azrael is listed as having a bolt pistol in his entry, its missing in the army list. [iPad] Azrael got pistol in army list Techmarines are not specifically excluded from taking a Ravenwing Command Squad while mounted on a Bike like they are specifically excluded from taking a Command Squad while on foot, Page 96. [iPad] Same. Some other one Does Ravenwing Darkshroud gives Stealth to itself? Does it gives Stealth to other Darkshrouds? Shroud of Angels "The Ravenwing Darkshroud has the Shrouded special rules. In addition, all friendly units within 6" of one or more Ravenwing Darkshrouds gain the Stealth special rule." Much like banner, a unit is within blah inches of itself. Note the "all" friendly units vs. "other" friendly units. Are units in Deathwing Assault counted toward the 50% in reserve rule? No mention of unit in Deathwing Assault being held in reserve, only that they arrives on 1st or 2nd turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cactus Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Ran into an issue with Rad charges and Stasis Anomaly. "Every model in a unit hit by one or more.. " etcetc Since they are blast effects, it made me wonder if this means: a ) Every model that got hit the blast template. b ) All the models in the unit. I think that if they meant just the models hit by the blast they would have written "every model hit" and not mentioned the unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azoriel Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Asmodai's complete lack of shooting weapons is a potential omission of at least a bolt pistol, given that his Blades are a Specialist Weapon and cannot be used in combination with the Crozius. Additionally, even the new model has a holstered bolt pistol on it. [iPad] No pistol in either the description nor army list. Pix of him show him wielding the Blade of Reason and a crozius arcanum. Guess that means the pistol holster is for show. Silly Asmodai! Always walking into battle with wargear he was never issued. First he pilfers a power sword from the armoury, and now a bolt pistol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlauG Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Silly Asmodai! Always walking into battle with wargear he was never issued. First he pilfers a power sword from the armoury, and now a bolt pistol... Maybe this is evidence of the "manic excesses" that drive Grand Masters insane. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syphid Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Why doesn't Traitor's Bane have the Bane of the Traitor special rule? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger9gamer Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 It needs to say if you can take more than one relic on a company master. Same with melee weapons. big debate on another topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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