Wintera Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Hello Quick question about using rockfist in a Logan wing army. Tried to play a game the other day but my opponent refused to let me use rockfist in my loganwing army as the codex states rockfist must be purchased a long with 2 wolf guard as elite choices. As Logan makes wolf guard terminators into troops then I had not filled this requirement. Is he correct? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269435-rockfist-illegal-in-pure-loganwing/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
carnosaur93 Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 i would say not, no... if i remember right, the codex says absolutly nothing about him having to be in an elite-unit either way, you dont HAVE to take Wolfguard as troops if you have logan, so you could still run the unit to your opponents wishes, they would just take an elite slot and not be scoring. if he still denies you, he just plain dont wanna go against rockfist i would say Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269435-rockfist-illegal-in-pure-loganwing/#findComment-3281668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cate Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Arjac does not take up an extra elite choice as he is an upgraded wolf guard, as I read it, he follows the same rules as wolf guards, i:e he can be attached to packs as an ordinary wolf guard. Logans rule is as worded "Wolf guard unit count as troops in any army that includes Logan Grimnar.", which would mean that when you have upgraded a Wolf guard in a pack to Arjac he is part of that Troop choice. /C Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269435-rockfist-illegal-in-pure-loganwing/#findComment-3281677 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helosv Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Hello, I will give you a two choice answer.... 1- Arjac is a part of a wolf guard pack, so he is not an additional elite choice ! 2- How do you present your list to your opponent ? If you present Arjac alone, he is right ! You have to get him from a pack of wolf guards...and a pack is at minimum 3 guys... And only concerning the sentence: Logan doesn't turn only terminator elite choice in troops: he turns all Wolf guards into troops, even if they are in normal armour. So, if you have 2 WG + 1 termi (Arjac) it's OK. It's not said that Arjac is an elite choise: only that he is a part of a WG pack !!! So if you don't have Logan, he's a part of an elite pack, if you have Logan, he's part of an troop pack... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269435-rockfist-illegal-in-pure-loganwing/#findComment-3281708 Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex567 Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Hello Quick question about using rockfist in a Logan wing army. Tried to play a game the other day but my opponent refused to let me use rockfist in my loganwing army as the codex states rockfist must be purchased a long with 2 wolf guard as elite choices. As Logan makes wolf guard terminators into troops then I had not filled this requirement. Is he correct? Next time you face this oponent slap him with a copy of the rules and tell him to read them, then subsequently woop his ass with rockfist! By his logic you could only take a unit of 3 wolf guard with no upgrades as troops, cause rockfist is a unit upgrade, like an additional wolf guard is or like a thunder hammer is, (or in his case both!), the unit is not made a troop choise until you actually play a game, until then it is just words on paper, so the unit is already made upgraded and kitted out, then you go hmm these wolfguard will be troop choices today, and viola you have a troop choice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269435-rockfist-illegal-in-pure-loganwing/#findComment-3281712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wintera Posted January 13, 2013 Author Share Posted January 13, 2013 Thank you for the clarification....I'm new to this and I guess my opponent didn't want a dropped wolfguard pack with rockfist slamming into his lines!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269435-rockfist-illegal-in-pure-loganwing/#findComment-3281732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Yeah... quite possibly. Its not different than Sgt. Telion on C:SM or Lukas in a squad of bloodclaws. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269435-rockfist-illegal-in-pure-loganwing/#findComment-3281844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
greysquigg Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 I'm always amazed at the lengths people will go to get one up on you when it comes to this sort of thing. There was a similar thing on a friends forum with typhus and zombies. The argument there was because you had changed cultists to zombies they couldn't take any upgrades, including adding extra units to the squad (or something along those lines). Complete rubbish. But people do pull out these silly clauses to try and win. I tend not to play with those people. Alex put it best how to deal with those people. GS Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269435-rockfist-illegal-in-pure-loganwing/#findComment-3281888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Hello Quick question about using rockfist in a Logan wing army. Tried to play a game the other day but my opponent refused to let me use rockfist in my loganwing army as the codex states rockfist must be purchased a long with 2 wolf guard as elite choices. As Logan makes wolf guard terminators into troops then I had not filled this requirement. Is he correct? "One Wolf Guard model may be upgraded to Arjac Rockfist, The Anvil of Fenns ..... 170pts", C:SW, Pg.86 Seems pretty straight forward. If you have a legal unit of Wolf Guard, on e of those models can be upgraded to Arjac. If your opponent tries to pull this again, ask him to show you where in the rules he gets his support for his argument. either way, you dont HAVE to take Wolfguard as troops if you have logan, so you could still run the unit to your opponents wishes, they would just take an elite slot and not be scoring. This is incorrect. With Logan Grimnar in your army all of your Wolf Guard packs must be Troops. See the C:SW FAQ. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269435-rockfist-illegal-in-pure-loganwing/#findComment-3281906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaraion Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 "One Wolf Guard model may be upgraded to Arjac Rockfist, The Anvil of Fenns ..... 170pts", C:SW, Pg.86 Seems pretty straight forward. If you have a legal unit of Wolf Guard, on e of those models can be upgraded to Arjac. Looking at the codex right now and honestly can not put together how your opponent came up with his nonsense. If you can not upgrade to Arjac then literally you can not upgrade a single weapon choice or anything else. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269435-rockfist-illegal-in-pure-loganwing/#findComment-3282087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 There was a similar thing on a friends forum with typhus and zombies. The argument there was because you had changed cultists to zombies they couldn't take any upgrades, including adding extra units to the squad (or something along those lines). Complete rubbish yeah only that is how the rules worked. They had to be errated and not FAQed to work different . The problem with logan is that he is worded in a different way then 6th ed [so necron , gk. chaos and DA stuff] "make stuff scoring/troops" stuff. Some people still think that GW makes all the rules work the same way for all armies and there is the root of problems , because offten it doesnt. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269435-rockfist-illegal-in-pure-loganwing/#findComment-3282344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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