Tiger9gamer Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 If your like me (Emperor help you) you like to eskew the Special characters for your own builds. I want to know if it's Viable to have a nice kitted out captain. The two builds I'm thinking of for company masters are pretty decent IMHO: 1st build: Terminator armor, Mace of Redemption, Lion's roar-180p The lion's roar is more of a splurge (have extra points in most lists I make up) but I'm thinking it could do some damage. it adds some range edge for a Knights unit or adds an extra template in a plasma cannon squad. Can unlock command squad in a pinch, and can drop the Lion's roar for the vanilla power axe to get +1A (if mace isn't a specialist weapon) 2nd build: Artificer armor, Plasma pistol, mace of redemption-160pts It doesn't say weather or not the Mace is a specialist weapon, so I'm thinking it's not. +1 attack for the mace, and It can still add 1 AP2 shot on the charge. 5 more points to unlock Lion's roar or the Assault 3 storm bolter (or storm shield) 3rd build: Artificer armor, power fist, Lighning claw-150pts A cheap build What do you think? (also, does storm shield replace a weapon, or can add to a guy without sacrificing a weapon?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onisuzume Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Even if the Storm Shield doesn't replace a weapon, you cannot claim the +1A for having two ccws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger9gamer Posted January 13, 2013 Author Share Posted January 13, 2013 (I know, just wondering because I may want to put lion's roar or foe smiter on someone. back on topic?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaced Hulk Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Unfortunately, as the codex is written, I think builds 1 & 3 are illegal. Both the Melee weapons & Chapter Relics say a model may exchange one weapon for one of the those particular options. Hopefully a FAQ will sort this out quickly though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Immolator Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Id go Azzy really. Our company masters no longer have rights of battle so why bother? Librarians bring more food to the table and cheaper. But anyway Id go option one with a SS and swap termy armor for artificer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger9gamer Posted January 13, 2013 Author Share Posted January 13, 2013 Unfortunately, as the codex is written, I think builds 1 & 3 are illegal. Both the Melee weapons & Chapter Relics say a model may exchange one weapon for one of the those particular options. Hopefully a FAQ will sort this out quickly though. As the codex is written, The relic's say "you can take one of each, A model can replace one weapon with the following" it doesn't say only one, and as they are two different relics, and since the Captain has two weapons, you can take two relics (replacing weapons with each) Same w/ melee weapons. if you see something diffrenent, let me know Thanks for pointing it out though. may just go Storm Shield or combi-plasma then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Landrain Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 1st build: Terminator armor, Mace of Redemption, Lion's roar-180p I really like the Foe-Smiter... Not as good as the one the Crimson Fist has but 3 shots is nice. Especially with 6's being precise shots. If you are going to spend 180 pts add 15 more and make hime Eternal Warrior and Cause Fear... I think that will be my Generic TDA Master, Foe-Smiter, Mace of Redemption, Perfidious Relic @ 195 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlauG Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 If you are going to spend 180 pts add 15 more and make hime Eternal Warrior and Cause Fear... I think that will be my Generic TDA Master, Foe-Smiter, Mace of Redemption, Perfidious Relic @ 195 Where does Eternal Warrior come into it? Adamantium Will is not the same thing as an Adamantine Mantle, it's a +1 to "Deny the Witch"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Sergeant Bohemond Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 I will be running a company-master with AA and PW for 125 points, cheap and effective. If I have the points, I would add onto this. And SS do not replace weapon options, so you could have a combi-weapon, PW and SS. (wording says may TAKE a SS) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardian of the Rage Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Arti Armour, Relic, Mace and plasma pistol for me. Not the best choice around but a good look for a company master and a real killer (probably) Cheers, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaced Hulk Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Unfortunately, as the codex is written, I think builds 1 & 3 are illegal. Both the Melee weapons & Chapter Relics say a model may exchange one weapon for one of the those particular options. Hopefully a FAQ will sort this out quickly though. As the codex is written, The relic's say "you can take one of each, A model can replace one weapon with the following" it doesn't say only one, and as they are two different relics, and since the Captain has two weapons, you can take two relics (replacing weapons with each) Same w/ melee weapons. if you see something diffrenent, let me know Thanks for pointing it out though. may just go Storm Shield or combi-plasma then. The wording is a bit vague so you could be right. Depends how you interpret the sentence 'a model may replace one weapon with'. Hopefully a FAQ will clarify it quite quickly (otherwise I've got several sergeants armed with twin lightning claws who I'll have to run as either Company Vets or Command Squad members instead). As far as Company Master builds go, the Mace of Redemption is very appealing. Not sure I'd equip him with a storm shield as well though, simply because you'll be losing an attack. If you really want a 3++ save for him, perhaps give him a displacer field instead. 10 pts more than the storm shield but you'll keep the extra attack for two ccws (assuming you've given him a plasma/bolt pistol as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerixis Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 A model can replace one weapon with one of the following. ergo You can replace one weapon. ergo Not two weapons. I thought that as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Landrain Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 If you are going to spend 180 pts add 15 more and make hime Eternal Warrior and Cause Fear... I think that will be my Generic TDA Master, Foe-Smiter, Mace of Redemption, Perfidious Relic @ 195 Where does Eternal Warrior come into it? Adamantium Will is not the same thing as an Adamantine Mantle, it's a +1 to "Deny the Witch"... ugg... totally mis read that... the OLD wargear used to have admantium mantles... i just saw admantium and filled in the rest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Krieg Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 In this context, semantically, the first sentence can both mean you can exchange one (only one) weapon with one of the following you can exchange one (of your weapons) with one of the following No way to tell which it is, "wait for FAQ" time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypher 102 Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 I think it will sort out to being able to exchange for multiple weapons, otherwise how do I get a pair of lightning claws? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt Danosef Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 I think if I were to be using a generic Company Master I'd go with TDA, Storm Bolter, Mace of Redemption and Digital Weapons. 170pts. Seems a solid build to me. If I were allowed to take more than one Chapter Relic per character (I personally doubt the FAQ will swing it this way - the limitation reads quite clearly in my eyes though agree it sucks) I'd also go with the 'Foe-Smiter' instead of the regular SB, making it a Belial-equivalent 190 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Landrain Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 A model can replace one weapon with one of the following. ergo You can replace one weapon. ergo Not two weapons. I thought that as well. There is a restriction "Only one of each Relic may be taken per Army." It doesn't say only one per model. It also says "A Model can replace one weapon with one of the following." It doesnt says "A Model can replace ONLY one weapon with one of the following..." Same issue came up with the original company vets i believe... The problem is that the melee weapons replace melee... the ranged weapons replace ranged in the lists above this... But this list has both melee and ranged... so it can be interpreted two ways... and thus needs an official ruling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger9gamer Posted January 13, 2013 Author Share Posted January 13, 2013 I think It's like the vanilla guy, where you can replace both weapons for Lightning claws. Besides, if it doesn't, you can use a power sword and replace the storm bolter with mace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xeraxen Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 I'm curious if it's possible to give a Deathwing Company Master a storm shield in addition to a combi-bolter and melee weapon? Do storm shields no longer take up an arm option? It doesn't say anything about replacing a weapon when a storm shield is taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Blaire Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Storm Shields do not "take up an arm", they simply prevent you from taking the +1A for two Single Hand melee weapons. You could have two lightning claws modeled, but if you slap a Storm Shield on the back (and pay the points for WYSIWYG) you do not get +1A. Same for a bolt pistol/Chainsword combo, etc. Yes, you can take one on a Company Master in TDA. You can't give him anything other than a power sword though, unless you take a Relic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garath Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 I going to skip it. Unless an Hq brings more to the table then 5 attacks which ,by themselves are not game changing, it's not worth it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraithwing Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 I've not picked up the Codex yet,so forgive me ignorance. My Company Master is modelled with a Power Sword and Plasma Pistol. Are there any 'generic' Heavenfall blades that I can use his sword to represent in the new dex? Cheers, WW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Amarel Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 I think it will sort out to being able to exchange for multiple weapons, otherwise how do I get a pair of lightning claws? I've assumed that you can't and I've put it down to a subtle nudge towards our ranged over melee inheritance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypher 102 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 No generic Heavenfall Blades. There is a chapter relic power sword called the Monster Slayer of Caliban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Amarel Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 I've not picked up the Codex yet,so forgive me ignorance. My Company Master is modelled with a Power Sword and Plasma Pistol. Are there any 'generic' Heavenfall blades that I can use his sword to represent in the new dex? Cheers, WW There is the 'Monster Slayer of Caliban' Relic, it's not a Heavenfall blade but is a souped up Power Sword. I'm not sure it's worth its cost, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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