Gratan Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 I am starting this thread to list the small little changes that are/could be easily missed. While I was starting build on my DW Command I spent a few extra minutes examining the entry. The Command Squad does not have a Sergeant. However, the Champion and the Apothecary are now Characters. It was a good thing I spent the few extra minutes reading the entry, I almost built a Sergeant with SB/Power Sword... which isnt an option for the DW Command Squad. This applies to both of the other Command Squads as well. The Champion leads the squad, which is a really cool idea. It also means I have to go back and change around my PA command squad a little. So, what other little gems have you found? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Lucian Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 None, it still havet arrived In all seriousness, thats a good little gem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother dean Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Command squads didnt have Sargeants last time around either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gratan Posted January 15, 2013 Author Share Posted January 15, 2013 Command squads didnt have Sargents last time around either... Yes, and we didnt have Terminator or Ravenwing Command Squads either. and now the Champions and Apothecaries are Characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother dean Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Command squads didnt have Sargents last time around either... Yes, and we didnt have Terminator or Ravenwing Command Squads either. and now the Champions and Apothecaries are Characters. Well... We did have a Deathwing Command squad, It just didnt have a Champion... Ravenwing?.. No we didnt, Of course I give myself a post reading fail the first time around for not noticing that he was talking DW command... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoJack Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 I am starting this thread to list the small little changes that are/could be easily missed. While I was starting build on my DW Command I spent a few extra minutes examining the entry. The Command Squad does not have a Sergeant. However, the Champion and the Apothecary are now Characters. It was a good thing I spent the few extra minutes reading the entry, I almost built a Sergeant with SB/Power Sword... which isnt an option for the DW Command Squad. This applies to both of the other Command Squads as well. The Champion leads the squad, which is a really cool idea. It also means I have to go back and change around my PA command squad a little. So, what other little gems have you found? Your lucky! I just finished making my command squad sergeant when I realized that he didn't exist >.< oh well, I guess I have a new DW sarge! Command squads didnt have Sargents last time around either... Yes, and we didnt have Terminator or Ravenwing Command Squads either. and now the Champions and Apothecaries are Characters. Well... We did have a Deathwing Command squad, It just didnt have a Champion... Ravenwing?.. No we didnt, Of course I give myself a post reading fail the first time around for not noticing that he was talking DW command... Is the lack of RW command squad sarcasm (serious question)? Because RW had access to a similar command squad that DW had (i.e. an apothecary and banner). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother dean Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Nope, ignorance... I never can run bikes right... therefore I forgot there is a command squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarducci Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 I'm paying attention to this post. My first job is redoing my Deathwing Command Squad with legal options. I don't need to make any more mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 I don't like that my apothecary is now a character, as it means he can be challenged or nerfed from combat. . Already is anyway, due to losing his BP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captn Dees Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Not sure if these are gems or... what exactly... but worth noting. All the HQs don't seem to have ATSKNF or Fearless. Also I totally forgot skilled rider adds +1 to the Jink save, so that's pretty nice on Black Knights and Ravenwing Command Squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elphilo Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Not sure if these are gems or... what exactly... but worth noting. All the HQs don't seem to have ATSKNF or Fearless. Check out the Inner Circle Rule on page 28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelVeto Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 I didn't even notice they didn't have ATSKNF or fearless, that's crazy. Do those rules confer if one squad member has them? Like keep the hq in a squad to have these benefits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Easily missed: They hid it within the "Inner Circle" and "Zealot" special rules. They covered their bases in the more confusing ways possible. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uvenla Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Like elphilo said, read the Inner circle rule on page 28. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azoriel Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Easily missed: They hid it within the "Inner Circle" and "Zealot" special rules. They covered their bases in the more confusing ways possible. Circles within circles... ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FragEmAll Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 I normally play vanilla marines, so my comments are based on changes i've seen. DA Chaplains now have Zealot, which confers Hatred, giving us rerolls in the first round of a combat, regardless of whether we charged or not. Deathwing Knights have Hammer of Wrath giving an auto hit at base strength at I10 when charging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 I don't like that my apothecary is now a character, as it means he can be challenged or nerfed from combat. . Already is anyway, due to losing his BP. On the other hand, it also means they can LO,S! wounds on a 4+ (including Precision Shot wounds). And Challenges are actually a good way to keep the Apothecary safe from CC. Take any challenge you don't want to fight with the Apothecary ducking out of combat. He's safe from harm and the unit will still fight as if the enemy character hadn't challenged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 It's not like WHFB. If you refuse a challenge, you're still attacked but you cannot fight back. Good point on the LO,S! roll though, that is pretty nice. And most likely I'm going to have Azrael and Ezekiel in the same squad, so they'll have to get through those two dudes before ever getting my medic in a challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captn Dees Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Not sure if these are gems or... what exactly... but worth noting. All the HQs don't seem to have ATSKNF or Fearless. Check out the Inner Circle Rule on page 28 Wow that is easily missed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 It's not like WHFB. If you refuse a challenge, you're still attacked but you cannot fight back. Not if he's in the rear of the unit, where he belongs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 I've always had an extremely hard time keeping him out of BTB...6" of pile-ins will do that. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Master Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Command squads didnt have Sargents last time around either... Yes, and we didnt have Terminator or Ravenwing Command Squads either. and now the Champions and Apothecaries are Characters. The Deathwing Box has a com Command squads didnt have Sargents last time around either... Yes, and we didnt have Terminator or Ravenwing Command Squads either. and now the Champions and Apothecaries are Characters. The Deathwing Squad box shows a command squad with sergeant, easy to see how people could make a mistake (like me) DM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Amarel Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Not sure if these are gems or... what exactly... but worth noting. All the HQs don't seem to have ATSKNF or Fearless. Check out the Inner Circle Rule on page 28 Note that this means that they are fully affected by the Terrify spell, whereas a model with ATSKNF is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffJedi Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 What should I make the 5th Man of my Deathwing Command Squad? I have Apothacary, Champion, Plasma Cannon and Standard Bearer so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickybob Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 A redshirt. You're going to take casualties at some point. Doesn't really matter what you arm him with, just don't spend any more points unless you have a spare 5 or so points (hammernator maybe?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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