facmanpob Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Just had a thought ...... Maybe the Blades were supposed to get the Bane of the Traitor special rule, but it was accidentally left out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cielaq Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Yeah, still with Unwieldy the poor champion will be killed by anyone with power sword before he'll strike - there's reason why people stopped giving sergeants p-fists (unless they intend to run IC for challenges there). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoebus Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 I'm with cielaq on this one. Balancing is one thing. The "balancing factor" in this case misses the point of the character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahatch42878 Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 I also thought this might be a typo.... either two-handed (hence the combat shield and not storm shield, but then there is the option for storm shield so not so sure) or maybe specialist weapon instead of unwieldy would have made more sense to me (sacrifice the extra attack for the strength bonus).... unwieldy seems the least appropriate IMHO but I do agree that the points value makes it maybe more likely to be a true value. The fluff doesn't necessarily translate well & make sense, but that isn't unusual with GW. Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xeraxen Posted January 16, 2013 Author Share Posted January 16, 2013 I also thought this might be a typo.... either two-handed (hence the combat shield and not storm shield, but then there is the option for storm shield so not so sure). Â I thought that the storm shields were reserved for veterans? Since the Champion is not considered a 'veteran' then cannot access the SS? This is going by the same logic as the apothecary argument in the Deathwing CS thread. I'm not a rules nazi and prefer 'Rules as intended' over 'Rules as written' but I'm not seeing how the Champion has access to the SS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cielaq Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Correct - Champion is no longer Veteran, same as Apothecary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diavlo Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Sadly they didn't fix that in the FAQ I was hoping they will. Fluffwise when we meet Space Wolves we have a champions duel I think that we have beat them so many times that we have finally decided to give them a chance and took pointed stick of Caliban. Do you imagine that fight now? Our champ will die 5 times of 6 and that one time he survives he won't be able to kill his enemy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xeraxen Posted January 16, 2013 Author Share Posted January 16, 2013 Correct - Champion is no longer Veteran, same as Apothecary. Â Then even the storm shield is out for the guy. The Greenwing Command Squad is sounding more viable as a shooty unit with 4 plasmaguns and an apothecary, or as a pure melee beatstick with power swords and storm shields and an apothecary, or even just as a squad to hold a sacred banner in a land raider. With the Champion made of so much suckage, it'll leave them an achillies heel in a challenge and would be better suited saving the points and sticking with a regular veteran. Â And, if anything, the Blade of Caliban model would probably be more suited as simply an elaborate power sword or one of the chapter relics such as the Monster Slayer or Mace Sword of Redemption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xeraxen Posted January 16, 2013 Author Share Posted January 16, 2013 Sadly they didn't fix that in the FAQ I was hoping they will. Fluffwise when we meet Space Wolves we have a champions duel I think that we have beat them so many times that we have finally decided to give them a chance and took pointed stick of Caliban. Do you imagine that fight now? Our champ will die 5 times of 6 and that one time he survives he won't be able to kill his enemy Keep in mind that other FaQs may come along, they didn't give Asmodai a bolt pistol in this FaQ, even though it's on his bloody model. With any luck, some new FaQ will be added in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avon Rekaes Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 And, if anything, the Blade of Caliban model would probably be more suited as simply an elaborate power sword or one of the chapter relics such as the Monster Slayer or Mace Sword of Redemption. Â Is there a model for the Blade of Caliban? The only new ornate sword I can think of is the DW Sergeant's which is a normal power sword, since the Champion in the DW box has the Halberd, not the Blade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xeraxen Posted January 16, 2013 Author Share Posted January 16, 2013 Is there a model for the Blade of Caliban?  Yep, it's a bit in the Ravenwing Command Squad box, you can see it here: https://s3-eu-west-1...Champion/01.jpg and here: https://s3-eu-west-1...Champion/20.jpg  IMO, it'd be more suited in design for an HQ, rather than the free pain token / free boon roll Greenwing and Ravenwing Champion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avon Rekaes Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Aaaaah, right. Forgot I hadn't taken a look at the Ravenwing stuff yet. Â Yeah, that sword looks awesome. I'll be pilfering it for the Monster Slayer of Caliban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Blaire Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Is there a model for the Blade of Caliban? The only new ornate sword I can think of is the DW Sergeant's which is a normal power sword, since the Champion in the DW box has the Halberd, not the Blade. Yeah, there is a sword shown as the Blade of Caliban for the Champion in the Ravenwing Command Squad box set. I think it is the most ornate sword in the new boxes. Â Jeesh. Ninja'd. :ph34r: Â Haven't seen an updating on this thing showing new posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interrogator Stobz Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Yep, it's a bit in the Ravenwing Command Squad box, you can see it here: https://s3-eu-west-1...Champion/01.jpg and here: https://s3-eu-west-1...Champion/20.jpg  IMO, it'd be more suited in design for an HQ, rather than the free pain token / free boon roll Greenwing and Ravenwing Champion.  I'm hoping to use it for my converted Belial. If it gets here this month... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artemid Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Pics aren't working :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xeraxen Posted January 16, 2013 Author Share Posted January 16, 2013 Pics aren't working Apologies brother, try this: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1830080a select your preferred language and then click on the first 360 degree image in the bottom slide-bar, that should be the Ravenwing Champion [he has the winged beakie helm, btw.]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xeraxen Posted January 16, 2013 Author Share Posted January 16, 2013 I'm hoping to use it for my converted Belial. Â The blade seems longer compared to the other power swords in the kit, so it would scale well with Terminator armour and not look too dinky. Â I'll probably snag one from ebay to replace the bent sword Balthazar's model has in the 6th ed starter set I got. >_> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artemid Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Pics aren't working Apologies brother, try this: http://www.games-wor...Id=prod1830080a select your preferred language and then click on the first 360 degree image in the bottom slide-bar, that should be the Ravenwing Champion [he has the winged beakie helm, btw.]. Neato. That's a good looking blade, right there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arioch Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 The company champion...what where they thinking? Good thing we got deathwing, or spacewolfs would be laughing every time they faced us. "Blade of Caliban" more like blade of fail, and the combatshield only makes it worse. At least he can die a heroic death and hold up strong characters for a turn (in which he dies ). Well, you cant have it all I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diavlo Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 The company champion...what where they thinking? Good thing we got deathwing, or spacewolfs would be laughing every time they faced us. "Blade of Caliban" more like blade of fail, and the combatshield only makes it worse. At least he can die a heroic death and hold up strong characters for a turn (in which he dies ). Well, you cant have it all I suppose. Maybe we missed a rule that states "if champion dies then all units within 12" have +2Attacks for 3 turns" that would make sense to give him such a weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xeraxen Posted January 16, 2013 Author Share Posted January 16, 2013 The company champion...what where they thinking? Good thing we got deathwing, or spacewolfs would be laughing every time they faced us. "Blade of Caliban" more like blade of fail, and the combatshield only makes it worse. At least he can die a heroic death and hold up strong characters for a turn (in which he dies ). Well, you cant have it all I suppose. Maybe we missed a rule that states "if champion dies then all units within 12" have +2Attacks for 3 turns" that would make sense to give him such a weapon. That would make him like the GK Brotherhood Champion as a kamikaze unit. *DA Champion: *Gagged and tied up, is shoved towards Chaos Champion by the rest of the CMD Squad.* Apothecary: "We so totally have your back, brother!" DA Champ: "Mmpph! Mpppphm!! Mmmmpth!?!" Chaos Champ: "...?" *Shrugs* *Stabs* DA Champ: "Mmmmmpphh!" *Dies* Chaos Champ: "Yay! Boon me Dark Gods!" Apothecary: "By the Lion! He killed our Champion!" Banner Carrier: "You jerks!" Apothecary: "He's dead Jim, I'm a marine not a doctor, I did all I could!" Banner Carrier: "Well... actualy you are a doctor, and my name's not Jim..." Apothecary: "It's in the past, there's no time for grieving! GET HIM!" Chaos Champ: "!?!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diavlo Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 hahahaha nice one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelVeto Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Awesome. Loving the life that's come back to this thread with the new dex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xeraxen Posted January 17, 2013 Author Share Posted January 17, 2013 Awesome. Loving the life that's come back to this thread with the new dex. Â ? Â My apologies for asking, but are you being sarcastic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelVeto Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Not really. Apart from the few debate threads as far as the rules are concerned, the new dex has brought quite a lot of new players to this section of the forum. It was rather quiet before this as it was all painting threads or the rumour thread as people waited for the new dex to drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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