Initial FAQ out now!

[Harleqvin]

Hmmm.... well that was fast! Addresses most issues (and causes others ). I guess Asmodai was never meant to shoot .

Interesting that all LRs can now upgrade to DW vehicle.

@Riddles: What rending change vs vehicles?

Cheers

I

When scoring a 6 in penetrating, that shot doesn't add +1 because it is AP2. It's still considered AP4

I never thought that it did as that was for wounding and they had never FAQ'ed it before to say it effected Vehicles, too. :lol:

[facmanpob]

Hmmm.... well that was fast! Addresses most issues (and causes others ). I guess Asmodai was never meant to shoot .

Interesting that all LRs can now upgrade to DW vehicle.

@Riddles: What rending change vs vehicles?

Cheers

I

When scoring a 6 in penetrating, that shot doesn't add +1 because it is AP2. It's still considered AP4

Just for clarification purposes - Its from the new BGB FAQ rather than the new DA FAQ :)

[Onisuzume]

Ergo, we need a command squad to get the DW Champion, but the DW Champion does not need to be in the command squad.

[notmattlythgoe]

Ergo, we need a command squad to get the DW Champion, but the DW Champion does not need to be in the command squad.

 

Exactly how I read that.

[Bryan Blaire]

Yeah, not sure they addressed the most important issues with the FAQ. This does seem to be post-publication editing, like March10k said. Looks like the stuff they took care of in the digital edition.

 

I was really hoping for some clarification on DWA, simply so we could all stop arguing about it and play the same way.

 

I do agree that the Deathwing Champion option, while being located in the Deathwing Command Squad entry, worded that way seems to indicate that it doesn't have to be a Command Squad member upgraded to the Champion, just one Terminator in the army. Since it is in the Command Squad entry, I would think he'd have to be there and they didn't intend him to be outside the Command Squad, especially since he doesn't have the Independent Character rule, but the way it is written does sound like "If you take a DW command Squad, one DW Terminator in the army may be upgraded to a Champion." It is just loose, poor wording.

[Harleqvin]

"One Deathwing Terminator in the army may be upgraded to the Deathwing Champion, replacing all their weapons with the Halberd of Caliban"

I won't have my book until today, but this caught my eye. The Champion doesn't have to be in the command squad unit?

"- Alternatively, the may take a banner from the Sacred

Standards section of the wargear list.”

A typo in the FAQ... starting to think... english may be their 2nd language... lol

It's still an option for DW Comamnd Squad, the limit is to stop you for taking champions in two DW command squads.

Still no bolt pistol on Asmodai...

Does the errata need an errata, in that they meant Asmodai when they said Azrael, or does he not have one either?

Asmodai doesn't have one either, neither in his entry, nor in the army list.

And although he has two CCWs, one of them is a specialist weapon, so he can't get the +1A.

Well, unless the blades of reason count as a simple CCW when declaring to use the crozius arcanum.

Still, the lack of any ranged weapon doesn't seem to suit us.

Blades of Reason are specialist.

Also funny about SeriphicusI already said the silliness about that only those with the card from DV know what his litanies do for the most part.

Here is the funny. GW assumes everyone will take it meaning his entry is that of the Interrorgator-Chaplain with a plasma Pistol instead of Bolt Pistol and his "Litanies" instead of Zealot. You know someone somewhere is going to say he only has a Plasma Pistol as a weapon and nothing else.

They should have just put in a whole entry for him. GW trying to shortcut so hard it forgets to add in special rules (Litanies of the Dark Angles)

He is an Interrogator-Chaplain (see entry for interrogator-chaplain for details), with a plasma pistol instead of a bolt pistol.

Seems pretty clear to em.

The issue will be when someone does read it as it is supposed to be taken. We all know someone will do it

It's still an option for DW Comamnd Squad, the limit is to stop you for taking champions in two DW command squads.

That's not what it sounds like from the way it is worded. If that were the case they would just use the asterix at the bottom of the entry like they did with the banner.

If you look at that spot in the FAQ it is for the Deathwing Command Squad. It is making it so only one in the army can be that Champion because you can take multiple DWCS. It's pretty well written there.

@Cielaq see^^^ we got one already not reading something right. please note this is only in jest, Notmattlythgoe, no ill will is intended.

[facmanpob]

Yeah, I think they meant that if you have 2 DW Command Squads, only one of them can have a Champion, but they have made the wording somewhat clumsy.

[notmattlythgoe]

"One Deathwing Terminator in the army may be upgraded to the Deathwing Champion, replacing all their weapons with the Halberd of Caliban"

I won't have my book until today, but this caught my eye. The Champion doesn't have to be in the command squad unit?

"- Alternatively, the may take a banner from the Sacred

Standards section of the wargear list.”

A typo in the FAQ... starting to think... english may be their 2nd language... lol

It's still an option for DW Comamnd Squad, the limit is to stop you for taking champions in two DW command squads.

Still no bolt pistol on Asmodai...

Does the errata need an errata, in that they meant Asmodai when they said Azrael, or does he not have one either?

Asmodai doesn't have one either, neither in his entry, nor in the army list.

And although he has two CCWs, one of them is a specialist weapon, so he can't get the +1A.

Well, unless the blades of reason count as a simple CCW when declaring to use the crozius arcanum.

Still, the lack of any ranged weapon doesn't seem to suit us.

Blades of Reason are specialist.

Also funny about SeriphicusI already said the silliness about that only those with the card from DV know what his litanies do for the most part.

Here is the funny. GW assumes everyone will take it meaning his entry is that of the Interrorgator-Chaplain with a plasma Pistol instead of Bolt Pistol and his "Litanies" instead of Zealot. You know someone somewhere is going to say he only has a Plasma Pistol as a weapon and nothing else.

They should have just put in a whole entry for him. GW trying to shortcut so hard it forgets to add in special rules (Litanies of the Dark Angles)

He is an Interrogator-Chaplain (see entry for interrogator-chaplain for details), with a plasma pistol instead of a bolt pistol.

Seems pretty clear to em.

The issue will be when someone does read it as it is supposed to be taken. We all know someone will do it

It's still an option for DW Comamnd Squad, the limit is to stop you for taking champions in two DW command squads.

That's not what it sounds like from the way it is worded. If that were the case they would just use the asterix at the bottom of the entry like they did with the banner.

If you look at that spot in the FAQ it is for the Deathwing Command Squad. It is making it so only one in the army can be that Champion because you can take multiple DWCS. It's pretty well written there.

@Cielaq see^^^ we got one already not reading something right. please note this is only in jest, Notmattlythgoe, no ill will is intended.

Why would they not already use the "*One Per Army" at the bottom of that exact entry then? It makes no sense.

If that were the case they would have left the entry the way it was and added the * to it. But they didn't.

[Harleqvin]

Why would they not already use the "*One Per Army" at the bottom of that exact entry then? It makes no sense.

They forgot to add the * noting that is not allowed more than one per army, on to the line for the Champion upgrade. I just noticed this That is why.

[notmattlythgoe]

Why would they not already use the "*One Per Army" at the bottom of that exact entry then? It makes no sense.

They forgot to add the * noting that is not allowed, on to the line for the Champion upgrade. I just noticed this That is why.

If that is all they forgot they would have just added that, there was no reason to change the way the entry originally read.

[Harleqvin]

Why would they not already use the "*One Per Army" at the bottom of that exact entry then? It makes no sense.

They forgot to add the * noting that is not allowed, on to the line for the Champion upgrade. I just noticed this That is why.

If that is all they forgot they would have just added that, there was no reason to change the way the entry originally read.

It was supposed to follow suit of the other Special Command Squad. It was a typo. i just didn't want to say that so i just said they left off the * instead as it just meant the same thing and i thought it would take less words to say that.

Edited.

[notmattlythgoe]

My point is though if it was only supposed to read as one per army, why don't they both just use the "*One Per Army" clarifications in both of their entries?

[Harleqvin]

My point is though if it was only supposed to read as one per army, why don't they both just use the "*One Per Army" clarifications in both of their entries?

 

The RWCS does say that. The DWCS didn't. they fixed it. and the * is normally put towards gear itself like the Special Banner for DW and RW.

 

Edit - i agree they could have just used the * that noted one per army instead but for some reason they seem to do this with entries for model the * seems to be something they do for Gear. Odd yes.

[Gillyfish]

Nice to see a quick FAQ clearing up some of the more glaring questions (and some not - nice to have Seraphicus).

 

With work underway to identify questions and issues, I suggest we carry that on and then submit them to GW - hopefully we might get some more answered in a future FAQ.

[Harleqvin]

Nice to see a quick FAQ clearing up some of the more glaring questions (and some not - nice to have Seraphicus).

 

With work underway to identify questions and issues, I suggest we carry that on and then submit them to GW - hopefully we might get some more answered in a future FAQ.

 

Already sent in a few already. :lol:

[notmattlythgoe]

My point is though if it was only supposed to read as one per army, why don't they both just use the "*One Per Army" clarifications in both of their entries?

 

The RWCS does say that. The DWCS didn't. they fixed it. and the * is normally put towards gear itself like the Special Banner for DW and RW.

 

Edit - i agree they could have just used the * that noted one per army instead but for some reason they seem to do this with entries for model the * seems to be something they do for Gear. Odd yes.

 

Unfortunately, I think their clarification needs clarified even more :face palm: Oy vey GW, oy vey.

[Harleqvin]

But it doesn't. It is stated in the DWCS that the Deathwing champion is one Deathwing Terminator in the army. Only way you can get a Terminator as a Deathwing Champion is in the DWCS which the FAQ clearly shows as being a part of.

 

Page 95 – Deathwing Command Squad, options.

Change the second bullet point to: “• One Deathwing

Terminator in the army may be upgraded to the Deathwing

Champion, replacing all their weapons with the Halberd of

Caliban...............................................................................5 pts”.

 

 

how is that not clear?

 

 

 

Edit - Aaagghh. I can see what you mean..... Because it says "• One Deathwing Terminator in the army may be upgraded to the Deathwing Champion"

 

I was just reading it with the intended as it is supposed to be part of the DWCS. Same for the RWCS. They should have just given it the damned * to prevent people from being confused from how it is written.

 

i just would never do that as i know it is meant for a DWCS or RWCS respectively and that was blinding me from seeing the possible issue. My bad, mate.

[notmattlythgoe]

But it does. It is stated in the DWCS that the Deathwing champion is one Deathwing Terminator in the army. Only way you can get a Terminator as a Deathwing Champion is in the DWCS which the FAQ clearly shows as being a part of.

 

Page 95 – Deathwing Command Squad, options.

Change the second bullet point to: “• One Deathwing

Terminator in the army may be upgraded to the Deathwing

Champion, replacing all their weapons with the Halberd of

Caliban...............................................................................5 pts”.

 

 

how is that not clear?

 

This is just going to go in circles like the argument going on about the DWA/Reserves. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

[cypherthefallenangel]

Sweet im so glad they changed the vets. Now I dont have to dismantle my gun slinger vets.

[Harleqvin]

But it does. It is stated in the DWCS that the Deathwing champion is one Deathwing Terminator in the army. Only way you can get a Terminator as a Deathwing Champion is in the DWCS which the FAQ clearly shows as being a part of.

 

Page 95 – Deathwing Command Squad, options.

Change the second bullet point to: “• One Deathwing

Terminator in the army may be upgraded to the Deathwing

Champion, replacing all their weapons with the Halberd of

Caliban...............................................................................5 pts”.

 

 

how is that not clear?

 

This is just going to go in circles like the argument going on about the DWA/Reserves. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

Read my post above yours. i guess you have a slow connection or you may take a bit of time to respond. I had edited that a while ago the fiirst time saying I see what you mean. :lol:

[Gratan]

^{I think anyone trying to claim that "Any Terminator" outside of the DWCS can be a Champion is going to get a lot of dice thrown at them/taken out back and beaten with a hose...}

[notmattlythgoe]

But it does. It is stated in the DWCS that the Deathwing champion is one Deathwing Terminator in the army. Only way you can get a Terminator as a Deathwing Champion is in the DWCS which the FAQ clearly shows as being a part of.

Page 95 – Deathwing Command Squad, options.

Change the second bullet point to: “• One Deathwing

Terminator in the army may be upgraded to the Deathwing

Champion, replacing all their weapons with the Halberd of

Caliban...............................................................................5 pts”.

how is that not clear?

This is just going to go in circles like the argument going on about the DWA/Reserves. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

Read my post above yours. i guess you have a slow connection or you may take a bit of time to respond. I had edited that a while ago the fiirst time saying I see what you mean.

Haha no problem, you were probably editing the same time I was typing. I agree it is probably not intended to be that way, but the way that they have it written seems pretty clear that you can take one in any squad that you want. Just one more thing they probably won't FAQ and will always be confusing.

[captain sox]

I'm kinda torn about this. I'd like to give kudo's to GW for fixing some of the errors/omissions in the Codex... Buuuuuut the Codex is less than a week old. That's brutal.

 

And I like they didn't limit the Company Veterans to 3 upgrades. Had my pliers out, ready to rebuild my squad.

 

Not trying to hate on GW, because I do support them after all (playing and buying their product) but this is a slap in the face for all of us. "Here's your new book after 5 or so years. It's hard cover, full colour, and full of mistakes. Pay us more and enjoy!"

[Cactus]

I can accept that the first print run of any book will contain errors and I'd prefer those to be acknowledged and corrected ASAP. I'm pleased and slightly surprised that GW made the effort to do this within a week of the release.

[jahatch42878]

I guess I agree it is nice of them to admit mistakes and issues and FAQ quickly but seems like a lot of these mistakes should have been caught earlier and never made it to print...

 

I guess the advantage of digital versions is the update/fix being applied which us pen & paper gamers still envy... but yeah, for all the production value, don't drop the ball with something like "oh yeah, needs a bolt pistol and forgot to allow the unit to actually have the gear everyone expects it to have"...