Cpt_Reaper Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 So in the new FAQ sheet... Q: How many points is Interrogator-Chaplain Seraphicus, from thespecial edition Dark Vengeance boxed game? A: 125 points. Seraphicus is an HQ choice in a Dark Angels army, and a special character. He is an Interrogator-Chaplain armed with a plasma pistol, as listed in Codex: Dark Angels. He replaces the Interrogator-Chaplain’s Zealot special rule with his own Litanies of the Dark Angels special rule. BAM! The limited edition Interrogator-Chaplain is now a legit character. Can I get a "Aww yeah!"? Also I need something cleared up. Land Raiders purchased as Dedicated Transports are no longer heavy Support and are only limited by the squads that can buy them? This has caused a bit of debate recently in my group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffJedi Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 That's right, they take no slots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt_Reaper Posted January 17, 2013 Author Share Posted January 17, 2013 Awesomesauce. Going to rub that in the face of our smurf player who loves his iron wall tactic. On Seraphicus: Just realised that he is lacks Fearless or Inner Circle. Perhaps the next FAQ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleqvin Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Already a thread for this it was actually on the first screen of Threads if you would have looked down. . http://www.bolterand...howtopic=263667 Q: How many points is Interrogator-Chaplain Seraphicus, from the special edition Dark Vengeance boxed game? A: 125 points. Seraphicus is an HQ choice in a Dark Angels army, and a special character. He is an Interrogator-Chaplain armed with a plasma pistol, as listed in Codex: Dark Angels. He replaces the Interrogator-Chaplain’s Zealot special rule with his own Litanies of the Dark Angels special rule. It isn't left out, all Int-Chaps have the Inner Circle special rule. They state he is an Interrogator-Chaplain only difference is he is armed with a Plasma Pistol instead and his Zealot rule is replaced by Litanies of the Dark Angels rule. He is "intended" (which I hate, when they do, when they assume people will know what is meant and then people don't read it that way "they" see it as being. "they" is GW. I will also say that I know I have been in that boat before ,) to be played exactly like an Int-Chap (same Entry with the next exceptions,) only difference Plasma Pistol instead of Bolt Pistol and Litanies of the DArk Angels instead of Zealot and he is a Special Character (which also would mean he is Unique.) Also the card only gives you what the special rule does. You don't use his entry on the card. You use the Int-Chap entry from C:DA and modify it to have the stuff listed in the previous paragraph I wrote. On Land Raiders. They are Dedicated Transports for DWCS, DW and DWK. If you take them as such you must give them DW Vehicle for the cost indicated if you take it as a Dedicated Transport. They are also in the Heavy Support spot. However with the FAQ you can give non Dedicated Transport Land Raiders the DW Vehicle rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt_Reaper Posted January 17, 2013 Author Share Posted January 17, 2013 Oh...woops. Got a little over Zealous there...I Furious Charged to post what I found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleqvin Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 So we now know who took Seriphicus' Zealotness. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt_Reaper Posted January 17, 2013 Author Share Posted January 17, 2013 It wasn't me I swear! A Watcher in the Dark told me to do it. You can't prove anything! It's in my other Land Raider! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleqvin Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion El Jason Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Shame they didn't change Litany of the Dark Angels to do... something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facmanpob Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Shame they didn't change Litany of the Dark Angels to do... something. Errrr, it gives rerolls of 1s against Chaos Space Marines in shooting and cloce combat, so it does do something. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azrael Turnbull Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Guys, I hate to burst your bubbles, but he's not a codex character. If he was, the amendment would be showing in the Errata and not the FAQ. Someone probably asked how many points he was so he could play more balanced and constructed games of Dark Vengeance. Whatever the reason, there is no chance that we can field him in a legitimate game as anything but the normal Chaplain or Interrogator Chaplain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Without meaning to sound anything other than curious, if we couldn't take him, why would he be assigned a points value? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azrael Turnbull Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Without meaning to sound anything other than curious, if we couldn't take him, why would he be assigned a points value? As I said before, it's people playing Dark Vengeance using the Dark Vengeance rules (which deviate from 40k rules and codex's) wishing to apply a points value to their games. If the character was meant to be included in the codex, it would be under errata/amendments and not 'frequently asked questions'. It is also very wishful thinking to believe the Games Workshop genuinely missed out a special character from the codex, despite the horrendous mistakes they've already made with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleqvin Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Guys, I hate to burst your bubbles, but he's not a codex character. If he was, the amendment would be showing in the Errata and not the FAQ. Someone probably asked how many points he was so he could play more balanced and constructed games of Dark Vengeance. Whatever the reason, there is no chance that we can field him in a legitimate game as anything but the normal Chaplain or Interrogator Chaplain. Actually. Because he is in the FAQ you can. It even tells you how to use him. Just not what his Litanies do but that is more about GW not wanting to print free rules any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azrael Turnbull Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Ok guys, I've just looked something up and it is good news. According to the Litanies rules, everyone that Serphicus is attached to gains 'preferred enemy Chaos'. Well, according to the rule book, if a unit contains a least one model with preferred enemy x, the whole squad gets it. So in fact, all Interrogator Chaplains, Librarians, Masters and anyone with the Inner Circle rule already does this! So, going back to my point that Seraphicus is not a codex character, it doesn't even matter anymore. Even in Dark Vengeance, he's just a normal Interrogator Chaplain. By this logic, you could have a 'Seraphicus' duplicate riding a bike or wearing terminator armour! Those poor, poor, Chaos Marines. They got what was coming to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elphilo Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Ok guys, I've just looked something up and it is good news. According to the Litanies rules, everyone that Serphicus is attached to gains 'preferred enemy Chaos'. Well, according to the rule book, if a unit contains a least one model with preferred enemy x, the whole squad gets it. So in fact, all Interrogator Chaplains, Librarians, Masters and anyone with the Inner Circle rule already does this! So, going back to my point that Seraphicus is not a codex character, it doesn't even matter anymore. Even in Dark Vengeance, he's just a normal Interrogator Chaplain. By this logic, you could have a 'Seraphicus' duplicate riding a bike or wearing terminator armour! Those poor, poor, Chaos Marines. They got what was coming to them. I don't think it works like that. the FAQ states this: Q: How many points is Interrogator-Chaplain Seraphicus, from the special edition Dark Vengeance boxed game? A: 125 points. Seraphicus is an HQ choice in a Dark Angels army, and a special character. He is an Interrogator-Chaplain armed with a plasma pistol, as listed in Codex: Dark Angels. He replaces the Interrogator-Chaplain’s Zealot special rule with his own Litanies of the Dark Angels special rule. So with that you get an entirely new entry. It's called Interrogator-Chaplain Seraphicus. He is a special character, so he is Unique (pg 110 of the BRB). He comes with a Plasma Pistol and Litanies of the Dark Angels, instead of Zealot. He has no other options. His stats are that of an Interrogator-Chaplain. If you did read the previous thread that Harleqvin linked, you would find out that he is a rather pointless character. It would be better for you, in game terms that is, to just use the model as an Interrogator-Chaplain with a plasma pistol. Then you would get PE:CSM and Hatred. He's an odd entry into our codex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 What a badly written FAQ answer... Well, there's two ways to read this bit by RAW; He is an Interrogator-Chaplain armed with a plasma pistol, as listed in Codex: Dark Angels Either; The Plasma Pistol is the *only* Wargear he is 'armed' with. Or; He has a Plasma Pistol *in addition* to the listed Wargear for an Interrogator-Chaplain as listed in the Codex. While it might have been 'intended' for the PP to replace the BP, sadly, that's not what the FAQ says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleqvin Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 The most intended version of this is that the Bolt Pistol is replaced by a Plasma Pistol and that Zealot is replaced by Litanies of the Dark Angels. Other than that he is an Int-Chap. There was a whole discussion about this on another thread. The thing that makes it so you don't want to play him is that he loses Zealot. Which means you lose Hatred. Inner Circle already gives PE:CSM, which is all that the Litanies of the Dark Angels is but with different words. One would be better off just getting an Int-Chap with a Plasma Pistol as it is the same cost only difference is the Int-Chap is not unique and gives Hatred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Immolator Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Pay for the plasma pistol and get an interrogator. Use Seraphicus model already...Why handicap userself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elphilo Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 The most intended version of this is that the Bolt Pistol is replaced by a Plasma Pistol and that Zealot is replaced by Litanies of the Dark Angels. Other than that he is an Int-Chap. There was a whole discussion about this on another thread. The thing that makes it so you don't want to play him is that he loses Zealot. Which means you lose Hatred. Inner Circle already gives PE:CSM, which is all that the Litanies of the Dark Angels is but with different words. One would be better off just getting an Int-Chap with a Plasma Pistol as it is the same cost only difference is the Int-Chap is not unique and gives Hatred. Pay for the plasma pistol and get an interrogator. Use Seraphicus model already...Why handicap userself? Because of a shiny name sillies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Immolator Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Wont use the bang head emoticon, wont use the bang head emoticon.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elphilo Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Wont use the bang head emoticon, wont use the bang head emoticon.... Hmm, maybe this time it'll explode? :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Immolator Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Just for you hahahahahahahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elphilo Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Just for you hahahahahahahahaha No more of that for the rest of the day, else I'll be wrong again! :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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