Merellin Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 I was just curious, How do you equip your Thunderwolf Cavalry? I tried mine in a match yesterday, 5 TWC with Stormshields. Though it was pretty expensive, Cost 415 points for the group (If I remember correctly..) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269812-thunderwolf-cavalry-how-do-you-equip-them/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaffy Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 There isn't one right answer to that question :) But here are some guidelines: - Don't put Storm shields on all of them, normally around a third of the pack should be enough, so in your case of five; one or two shields. Have those ride in the front to tank some of the heavy fire that is going to come your way. - You only get to put one power weapon in your pack! But it serves to give a lot more oomph - 5 power 10 powerfist attacks on the charge is scary no matter who you are. You could take a normal power weapon if you are strapped for points, but your attacks already have rending, so a normal sword is not really worth it (IMHO), but you could go for the axe - 6 str 6 attacks all with AP2 is nasty, but the powerfist lets you smush things without Eternal Warrior. The wolfclaw is another option, 5 attacks (remember it's a specialist weapon), with re-rolls to either hit or wound (chosen at the start of combat), is not bad either - but personally I would still go for the powerfist or axe. If there is alot of mech in your local metagame, Meltabombs are cool, but better used on models with fewer attacks. Consider running with 2-3 WTC, and then add a Lord - they can get up to some nasty stuff! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269812-thunderwolf-cavalry-how-do-you-equip-them/#findComment-3286787 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Gaffy's suggestions are right on the money. Having an independent character is also quite nice because you can look out, sir! Lo,S! is pretty sweet with 2w models. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269812-thunderwolf-cavalry-how-do-you-equip-them/#findComment-3286840 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helosv Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Hello, I use them in 3 units pack: I prefer to have 2 packs of 3 than 1 of 5 (over powered) 1 SS 1 claw or 1 power fist It depends of the lord wargear... If I have enough points: saga of the wulfkin to give all wolves I5 (fernisians and thunderwolves) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269812-thunderwolf-cavalry-how-do-you-equip-them/#findComment-3286841 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Man, you got my hopes up there, helosv!!! It's fenrisian and CYBER wolves, not thunderwolves. i5 TWC would be pretty awesome. Saga of the Bear is the standard, and if you want to make a maximally effective duelist, bear is potentially very worthwhile. But Wulfkin is very nice too. Fenrisian wolves are extremely points-efficient if you can reliably feed them a 5+ cover save or better on turn 1. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269812-thunderwolf-cavalry-how-do-you-equip-them/#findComment-3286845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Adams Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 I tend to run small squads, my standard load out is- 3 Thunderwolf Cavalry (270) •thunder hammer; 3× storm shield. It's a small, tough, relatively cheap unit that moves fast and can do some damage. I have been thinkin of adding 2 more to it without ss's for more wounds and to keep it cheap. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269812-thunderwolf-cavalry-how-do-you-equip-them/#findComment-3286984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Adams Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Double post Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269812-thunderwolf-cavalry-how-do-you-equip-them/#findComment-3286985 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squark Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 It's not a bad idea to put one of the storm shields on the special weapons guy, since he's at risk of presciscion shots. A note on Look Out, Sir! Wound shenanigans- Remember, the FAQ changed it to the nearest model, so it can work if you shuffle the models around from turn to turn (If you've got multiple models in base to base, it's not stated how it works, so that's down to your TO if you get to choose or its random. Of course, sticking Thunderwolf Cavalry in base to base is a good way to lose the entire unit to a vindicator), but if not, it's a lot less effective. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269812-thunderwolf-cavalry-how-do-you-equip-them/#findComment-3287024 Share on other sites More sharing options...
irwit Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 I tend to run small squads, my standard load out is- 3 Thunderwolf Cavalry (270) •thunder hammer; 3× storm shield. It's a small, tough, relatively cheap unit that moves fast and can do some damage. I have been thinking of adding 2 more to it without ss's for more wounds and to keep it cheap. I must just be tight but 270pts for 6 wounds I wouldn't say is cheap, even relatively cheap! Id much rather a unit of 5TWC with a fist for the same cost. 4 T5 3+ wounds will protect your guys far better than a few storm shields plus if you are facing a podding army you may just get to use all 5! I just don't get why so many take storm shields. Just two shields is more expensive than another TWC and you'll die just as easily to anything AP4 or worse with the shield which is the majority of firepower on the board ? I guess once you are in combat its a different game but still with SS you are losing an attack and per guy holdinga storm shield plus another 10 attacks with the 2 less bodies you have. Finally with taking a wolf lord on TW, Id again say don't bother. 145pts basic and all you get extra from a regular TWC model is an extra attack and 2 extra wounds. Sure 3 TWC is a better spend of points? You get 6 wounds and 15 attacks that all have rending for 5 points more. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269812-thunderwolf-cavalry-how-do-you-equip-them/#findComment-3287057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helosv Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Hello, I know that it is not the subject of this post but: @skeletoro: I'm OK that it is said fernisian and cyber. but just below: to honor the wulfkin: one frenisian or a thunderwolf must survive....!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269812-thunderwolf-cavalry-how-do-you-equip-them/#findComment-3287060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Not strictly what the OP was asking, but here's my TWC unit I'll be fielding in an upcoming Apoc game - Fast Attack: Thunderwolf Cavalry (6#, 570 pts) 1 Wolf Lord in Power Armour, 290 pts ((C:SW, pgs. 39 & 84); Infantry (Character); Assault Grenades; Krak Grenades; Runic Armour; Wolf Tail Talisman; Wolftooth Necklace; Thunderwolf Mount; Power Fist x1; Storm Shield x1; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack; Eternal Warrior; Independent Character; Rending in CC only; Warlord; Saga of the Bear), 2 Fenrisian Wolf (Beasts; Vicious claws and fangs; Counter-attack), 1 Legion Relic, 0 pts (Legion Relic) 2 Thunderwolf Cavalry (Cavalry; Assault Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Thunderwolf Mount; Melta Bombs; Close Combat Weapon; Storm Shield) 1 Thunderwolf Cavalry (Cavalry; Assault Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Thunderwolf Mount; Storm Shield; Thunder Hammer) A thunderwolf Lord charging with 11X S10/I5/AP3 or S10/I1/AP2 attacks, backed up by some buddies for protection. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269812-thunderwolf-cavalry-how-do-you-equip-them/#findComment-3287064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
irwit Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 how does the lord get 11 s10 ap3 attacks? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269812-thunderwolf-cavalry-how-do-you-equip-them/#findComment-3287069 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 how does the lord get 11 s10 ap3 attacks? The Legion Relic Strategic Asset from Apocalypse Reload, Pg.67 - doubles the bearer's base Attacks characteristic and strikes as a Strength 10 Power Weapon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269812-thunderwolf-cavalry-how-do-you-equip-them/#findComment-3287083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Aye, it's brutal! I've used that to devestating effect! There's a downside if he dies, something like granting an extra objective or some such, not played Apoc in ages. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269812-thunderwolf-cavalry-how-do-you-equip-them/#findComment-3287085 Share on other sites More sharing options...
irwit Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Never looked at apocolypse, I guess thats where the wolf lord on tw becomes a little more worth the points :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269812-thunderwolf-cavalry-how-do-you-equip-them/#findComment-3287086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Aye, it's brutal! I've used that to devestating effect! There's a downside if he dies, something like granting an extra objective or some such, not played Apoc in ages. Your side counts as scoring one less Objective if he dies, yeah. Never looked at apocolypse, I guess thats where the wolf lord on tw becomes a little more worth the points It's fun to watch Greaeter Daemons wither when charged by him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269812-thunderwolf-cavalry-how-do-you-equip-them/#findComment-3287095 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Adams Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 I must just be tight but 270pts for 6 wounds I wouldn't say is cheap, even relatively cheap! Id much rather a unit of 5TWC with a fist for the same cost. 4 T5 3+ wounds will protect your guys far better than a few storm shields plus if you are facing a podding army you may just get to use all 5! I just don't get why so many take storm shields. Just two shields is more expensive than another TWC and you'll die just as easily to anything AP4 or worse with the shield which is the majority of firepower on the board ? I guess once you are in combat its a different game but still with SS you are losing an attack and per guy holdinga storm shield plus another 10 attacks with the 2 less bodies you When you are starin down the barrels of as many railguns as I tend to, those storm shields start lookin pretty useful. I deal with a lot of long range ap 2 in my gaming group, so I feel that I would rather make 3 more survivable than 5 that could get instapoked. I am not saying this is the right or wrong way to do it, or the only way. The OP asked how do we run twc, this is how I run twc 270pts is high, but my point was that compared to what TWC can cost, it's not too shabby. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269812-thunderwolf-cavalry-how-do-you-equip-them/#findComment-3287124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merellin Posted January 17, 2013 Author Share Posted January 17, 2013 Thanks for all the information and replies! Might give them another try at a later point and only give some of them storm shields. They did push out ALOT of attacks!^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269812-thunderwolf-cavalry-how-do-you-equip-them/#findComment-3287441 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeatGrinder Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 We really need to sticky a 'How to equip TWC' thread, because theres a new thread every week. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269812-thunderwolf-cavalry-how-do-you-equip-them/#findComment-3287509 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 I've done the Lord trick many times in Apoc. with SOtB and a SS he is disgustinly powerful. and I roll my TWC packs as Grizzly does. they arent cheap by any means, but they are rock hard and can challange damn near everything on the table top. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269812-thunderwolf-cavalry-how-do-you-equip-them/#findComment-3287510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
infyrana Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Not strictly what the OP was asking, but here's my TWC unit I'll be fielding in an upcoming Apoc game - ..... Fast Attack: Thunderwolf Cavalry (6#, 570 pts) 1 Wolf Lord in Power Armour, 290 pts ((C:SW, pgs. 39 & 84); Infantry (Character); Assault Grenades; Krak Grenades; Runic Armour; Wolf Tail Talisman; Wolftooth Necklace; Thunderwolf Mount; Power Fist x1; Storm Shield x1; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack; Eternal Warrior; Independent Character; Rending in CC only; Warlord; Saga of the Bear), 2 Fenrisian Wolf (Beasts; Vicious claws and fangs; Counter-attack), 1 Legion Relic, 0 pts (Legion Relic) Would just like to query two things please - If you write "Runic Armour", do you need to state that he has Power Army at the start of the entry since it's superceded? Also, you wrote that the character has "Rending in CC only" - if this is from having the TWMount, then would it no longer be true as you're using a special weapon (the p-fist)? Would shorten the extensive character entry and tidy up the rules a bit :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269812-thunderwolf-cavalry-how-do-you-equip-them/#findComment-3287652 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Not strictly what the OP was asking, but here's my TWC unit I'll be fielding in an upcoming Apoc game - ..... Fast Attack: Thunderwolf Cavalry (6#, 570 pts) 1 Wolf Lord in Power Armour, 290 pts ((C:SW, pgs. 39 & 84); Infantry (Character); Assault Grenades; Krak Grenades; Runic Armour; Wolf Tail Talisman; Wolftooth Necklace; Thunderwolf Mount; Power Fist x1; Storm Shield x1; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack; Eternal Warrior; Independent Character; Rending in CC only; Warlord; Saga of the Bear), 2 Fenrisian Wolf (Beasts; Vicious claws and fangs; Counter-attack), 1 Legion Relic, 0 pts (Legion Relic) Would just like to query two things please - If you write "Runic Armour", do you need to state that he has Power Army at the start of the entry since it's superceded? Also, you wrote that the character has "Rending in CC only" - if this is from having the TWMount, then would it no longer be true as you're using a special weapon (the p-fist)? Would shorten the extensive character entry and tidy up the rules a bit It's just a copy/paste of the Army Builder output - that's how AB displays the data. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269812-thunderwolf-cavalry-how-do-you-equip-them/#findComment-3287694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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