Cmdr Shepard Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Greetings fellow Legionaries, I have encountered problems in painting the exact blue of World Eaters. I tried the WD guide and I used a base of Kantor blue, highligthed with Teclis blue followed by a wash of Nuln Oil. The effect is very good but sadly it look darker then the World Eaters blue shown in Betrayal. So I tried with a base of Kantor blue, a layer of Alaitoc blue, highligthed with Teclis blue and the wash of Nuln Oil. The result is less dark but it looks too "pastel" and not very " badass Space Marine", at least that was my first impression. Since I want to paint War Hounds styled armours, thus the early "blue armour/white shoulder pads" style, finding the best possible blue is quite important. Do you have any suggestion? Thanks for your help. EDIT: Corrected typing error in title Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269839-painting-world-eaters-blue-i-need-your-help/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex567 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 If this is the guide you are refering to then ignore me, but the painting order you described was a little different to this one, so you might wanna try this. http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/downloads/product/pdf/h/Horus_Heresy_Painting_Guide.pdf Are you looking for a vibrant blue or a light blue, it doesn't matter too much how close you are because due to battle damage and weathering the colours would look duller over time, and I don't think the world eaters were to prone to washing their armour beetween combat engagements. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269839-painting-world-eaters-blue-i-need-your-help/#findComment-3287423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdr Shepard Posted January 18, 2013 Author Share Posted January 18, 2013 If this is the guide you are refering to then ignore me, but the painting order you described was a little different to this one, so you might wanna try this. http://www.forgeworl...nting_Guide.pdf Are you looking for a vibrant blue or a light blue, it doesn't matter too much how close you are because due to battle damage and weathering the colours would look duller over time, and I don't think the world eaters were to prone to washing their armour beetween combat engagements. I read the FW giude but I decided to go with the WD ones because I have so many miniatures to paint and I looked for a quicker procedure Battle damage and weathering "look" would be perfect. The only problem was the fact Kantor+ Teclis+ standard wash (Oct 2012 WD guide) looks darker. It's not a bad thing since is a very nice color, in my opion and as you said battle damage and wethering alter the colour. Honestly I'd like to avoid the "Wash with a mix of 25% Drakenhof Nightshade, 25% Nuln Oil, 25% Lahmian Medium and 25% water" procedure. As I said I have a lot of minis to paint and I'd prefer to keep things simple, if it still allow a good looking results Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269839-painting-world-eaters-blue-i-need-your-help/#findComment-3287921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eorek Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 I tend to airbrush all my base colours.... shoulderpads I base with Valeio air "French blue" and then I highlight the top of the pad with a 1:1 mix of french blue and valeio air white(whatever it's called...) Sorta the the lazy mans shortcut to wetblending 2 colours together. Honestly I'd like to avoid the "Wash with a mix of 25% Drakenhof Nightshade, 25% Nuln Oil, 25% Lahmian Medium and 25% water" procedure. As I said I have a lot of minis to paint and I'd prefer to keep things simple, if it still allow a good looking results - It's not as bad as it sounds... Edit: Only found one of my test models... but it turned out like this:http://i.imgur.com/ScMxY.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269839-painting-world-eaters-blue-i-need-your-help/#findComment-3288191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdr Shepard Posted January 18, 2013 Author Share Posted January 18, 2013 I tend to airbrush all my base colours.... shoulderpads I base with Valeio air "French blue" and then I highlight the top of the pad with a 1:1 mix of french blue and valeio air white(whatever it's called...) Sorta the the lazy mans shortcut to wetblending 2 colours together. Honestly I'd like to avoid the "Wash with a mix of 25% Drakenhof Nightshade, 25% Nuln Oil, 25% Lahmian Medium and 25% water" procedure. As I said I have a lot of minis to paint and I'd prefer to keep things simple, if it still allow a good looking results - It's not as bad as it sounds... Edit: Only found one of my test models... but it turned out like this:http://i.imgur.com/ScMxY.jpg That's nice. It's exactly the kind of blue I'm looking for. Do you know the GW equivalent for the colors you used? About the FW method: the problem is to find the right ratio, a part from mixing entire pots of colors, lahmian and 12 ml of water, which should be the volume of each pot's content... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269839-painting-world-eaters-blue-i-need-your-help/#findComment-3288290 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 I used a base of Kantor blue, a wash of 1:1 kantor blue and Chaos Black, layer of 1:1 Kantor blue and enchanted blue and final highlight with pure enchanted blue. It gives a really good effect. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269839-painting-world-eaters-blue-i-need-your-help/#findComment-3288531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eorek Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 hmm, I'd start off with either kantor blue or some other dark colour, Then I'd either drybrush the top of the shoulderpad with telics...or maybe calgar blue... I'd wash the edges with the forgeworld recommended mix though, don't you have like... baking measurements you could use? the small ones work for mixing colours I would also recomend using Lahmian medium to make the paint "softer"...I use it when ever I don't use my airbrush... It's especially awesome for painting white. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269839-painting-world-eaters-blue-i-need-your-help/#findComment-3288806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0MMY Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Ok, this is only my two cents but I agree with Shepard re. keeping things as simple as poss. I've gone for a base of dawnstone 50/50 lahmian, highlighted with ultjuan grey, highlighted with white scar for the white and base of macragge blue (over white basecoat) highlighted with a teclis blue maybe 80/20 water. Looks kinda like these, although not the best pics. I think I like the darker blue colour, but clearly not kosher forgeworld colours http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s301/llltomlll/yer%20im%20a%20geek/x_zps3fdc4809.png http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s301/llltomlll/yer%20im%20a%20geek/y_zps252e84dc.png http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s301/llltomlll/yer%20im%20a%20geek/z_zps435fb6f8.png http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s301/llltomlll/yer%20im%20a%20geek/zz_zps094f3630.png edit:fixed links Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269839-painting-world-eaters-blue-i-need-your-help/#findComment-3288988 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdr Shepard Posted January 19, 2013 Author Share Posted January 19, 2013 I used a base of Kantor blue, a wash of 1:1 kantor blue and Chaos Black, layer of 1:1 Kantor blue and enchanted blue and final highlight with pure enchanted blue. It gives a really good effect. According to a past WD "conversion table" enchanted blue correspond to caledor sky but it is a base colour. I think teclis blue should be quite close to the old enchanted blue. I liked the old enchanted blue. hmm, I'd start off with either kantor blue or some other dark colour, Then I'd either drybrush the top of the shoulderpad with telics...or maybe calgar blue... I'd wash the edges with the forgeworld recommended mix though, don't you have like... baking measurements you could use? the small ones work for mixing colours I would also recomend using Lahmian medium to make the paint "softer"...I use it when ever I don't use my airbrush... It's especially awesome for painting white. I'm not saying it is impossible to find the right mix ratio. I just wanted to find a quicker yet good looking way to paint my WE. I usually prefer quality over quantity when it comes to paint miniature and that's why most of my collection is still unpainted This time I'd like to paint at least the WE force I have assembled. Then after I gave Angron his army I'll focus on the other three Legion from Betrayal . I'll try the FW mix, perhaps it's quicker than it seems... Ok, this is only my two cents but I agree with Shepard re. keeping things as simple as poss. I've gone for a base of dawnstone 50/50 lahmian, highlighted with ultjuan grey, highlighted with white scar for the white and base of macragge blue (over white basecoat) highlighted with a teclis blue maybe 80/20 water. Looks kinda like these, although not the best pics. I think I like the darker blue colour, but clearly not kosher forgeworld colours http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s301/llltomlll/x_zps3fdc4809.png I like it. It's a nice look. Starting from a base of Macragge blue... interesting: dark but not as dark as Kantor. I'll test both colours on the "poor" CSM I used as subject for these experiments What colour/s did you use for the blood? (I know it's red or a mix of red ;) but what reds and other colours did you use ) I suppose you dry brushed it... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269839-painting-world-eaters-blue-i-need-your-help/#findComment-3289098 Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0MMY Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 What colour/s did you use for the blood? (I know it's red or a mix of red but what reds and other colours did you use ) I suppose you dry brushed it... The blood is khorne red with a top coat of khorne red with some abaddon black mixed in - maybe R70/30B. I dry brush all the bits I want first to look like splatter, etc. then paint on deeper on the chain blades. The stuff I want to look fresh, i.e. on the blades I've done a hardcoat layer to make it look wet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269839-painting-world-eaters-blue-i-need-your-help/#findComment-3289179 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdr Shepard Posted January 19, 2013 Author Share Posted January 19, 2013 What colour/s did you use for the blood? (I know it's red or a mix of red but what reds and other colours did you use ) I suppose you dry brushed it... The blood is khorne red with a top coat of khorne red with some abaddon black mixed in - maybe R70/30B. I dry brush all the bits I want first to look like splatter, etc. then paint on deeper on the chain blades. The stuff I want to look fresh, i.e. on the blades I've done a hardcoat layer to make it look wet. Thanks for the info. Now I have to decide if going with the standard WE colors or the War Hounds ones, namely blue armour and white shoulder pads... It's a quite difficult choice Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269839-painting-world-eaters-blue-i-need-your-help/#findComment-3289224 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Actually the old enchanted blue and the new Caledor sky look a lot like eachother. I think the later is a bit darker, but not by much. In my opinion teclis blue is far too bright for the WE shoulder pats, but thats my point of view. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269839-painting-world-eaters-blue-i-need-your-help/#findComment-3289314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdr Shepard Posted January 20, 2013 Author Share Posted January 20, 2013 Actually the old enchanted blue and the new Caledor sky look a lot like eachother. I think the later is a bit darker, but not by much. In my opinion teclis blue is far too bright for the WE shoulder pats, but thats my point of view. I was under the same impression. Kantor seems too dark while Teclis too bright. Maybe I should try with Macragge and Caledor. Kantor base, wash of drakenhof, highlighted with altoic was nice in the Chaos Chosen from DV I panited but I hadn't to stay "faithful to a pre-existing scheme". The problem is that in Betrayl pics the blue looks brighter then it is on the FW minis. I know the colours of the prints are different from the ones we use to paint. Every colour looks more "metallic". For example the Son of Horus colour from the book are more similar to the effect obtained with Oct WD (using coelia instead of waywatcher; I suppose it was a typing mistake) then the FW guide. Actually the look like a mixture of the two styles. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/269839-painting-world-eaters-blue-i-need-your-help/#findComment-3289738 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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