Seleucus Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 I see the Black Mace, Murder Sword, Axe of Blind Fury and Burning Brand appearing in most army lists or Lord load out threads, but the just a handful of pics showing how guys are representing these on models. I have just grabbed a Mace from the WoC Knights for my Black Mace on my Termie Lord, but need inspiration for the others as I intend to have all options available to me. Can you chaps provide details/pics of how you represent/have converted them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Steel Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 The mace of Redemptor Kyrinov (sp?) would make a good Black Mace substitute; someone has used it for Terminator Power Mauls, but I think it would make a nicer Daemon weapon as it's rather ornate and larger than most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Axe of Blinding Fury: the axe from the plastic chosen champion Black Mace: I'm just repainting my already extensively converted daemon prince's converted giant sword black and calling it a day. If you want a black mace on a terminator lord, and aren't stuck using GW only models, you could do worse than scribor's Chaos Master. Murder Sword, back when I tried to use the MS, I was using the Dark Vengeance lord who already has a cool daemonic looking sword. That didn't work out so well, because the murder sword is terrible. Now that model is a 'sorcerer' with a 'force sword'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ambroz Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 For the AoBF I used the WoC knight axe for the foot lord (center left in the picture) and the Axe from the DV chosen for my juggerlord. http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i458/Garvi_Loken/IMG_0774.jpg http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i458/Garvi_Loken/IMG_0996.jpg For the Black Mace I'm going to use the WoC knight mace, that thing just looks awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 The problem is getting a mace that's the correct size for a DP to use... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Steel Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Just use some brass rod or other metal to make the haft the appropriate size, then pin a suitable Mace head on. Something like Sauron's mace from the Lord of the rings set or the flaming ball from the Skaven Screaming Bell would be appropriately large/ demonic I would imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazath Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 @ Tanith Ghost Kinda off topic, but can I have a close-up for power claw champion? He looks pretty baddass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 I just use something that looks like a weapon to represent them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ambroz Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 @Hazath, there are more pictures somewhere in the link in my sig. Thanks though for the compliment! For DPs, I don't think its worth going with WYSIWYG. DPs are you centerpiece models so if anything I just go with counts as, after all Daemon weapons are supposed to be able to shift forms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Daemon weapons were supposed to be able to shift forms, back when power axes and power swords and power maces were all 'power weapons'. Mention of changing forms is noticeably absent in the new book, and the daemon weapons have rules reminiscent of their non-daemon forms (the blinding axe is AP2, the black mace is AP4, the murder sword is just a power sword that costs more points. I'll be running a sword that 'counts as' the black mace for my prince, but it's definitely a case of 'counts as', and I could see stuffier venues getting uppity about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ambroz Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Be that as it may Mali, Daemon Weapons have always been able to shift forms in every codex they've been in until this one. If anyone tries to enforce that in a game with me, I will pick up and leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lepaca Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 I'll be running a sword that 'counts as' the black mace for my prince, but it's definitely a case of 'counts as', and I could see stuffier venues getting uppity about it. If someone gives you a hard time about this just ignore them. They are not power weapons but unique objects so WYSIWYG does not apply. Friend of mine actually plays his as a black scythe on his nurgle lord! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caboosebe Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Daemon weapons were supposed to be able to shift forms, back when power axes and power swords and power maces were all 'power weapons'. Mention of changing forms is noticeably absent in the new book, and the daemon weapons have rules reminiscent of their non-daemon forms (the blinding axe is AP2, the black mace is AP4, the murder sword is just a power sword that costs more points. I'll be running a sword that 'counts as' the black mace for my prince, but it's definitely a case of 'counts as', and I could see stuffier venues getting uppity about it. The words 'power mace' or 'power axe' are never mentioned. In their names there is 'axe' or 'mace' and they have the same AP value and +strenght as a power axe or mace, but it is still a 'Daemon weapon' so technically you can still have anything you want and not doing a 'count as' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoros Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 I was planning on making a Chaos Contemptor with giant Crozius to count-as a Daemon Prince with Black Mace. Unfortunately, I have no idea where to find a giant mace of that size... :[ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 It is not "a" demon weapon. It is "the" Black Mace, or "the" Blinding Axe, unique specific relics with specific forms. There is no generic 'daemon weapon' statline for any odd daemon weapon you might come up with. Daemon weapons had mutable forms back when many melee weapons in general had mutable forms and neither is the case now. Running a Sword as the 'black mace' is very much the same as running a scythe as a power sword or a big hammer as an eviscerator. Should be fine in most places, you shouldn't get any more trouble doing so than you would if you ran volkite guns or personal cannons as sonic blasters in a noise marine squad, or using shields to represent the mark of nurgle in an 'unaligned' Iron Warriors army. "Counts as" isn't usually a problem in 40k, but that's still what this is, a case of "counts as", and if I didn't already have a heavily converted prince you can bet I'd be sticking a mace on mine and not a sword. Or if there were a daemon weapon sword, I'd be using that and not the mace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AekoldHelbrass Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 I agree with Malisteen, so will not add any more fuel to flame. Back to the topic: For Black Mace I was choosing between those two: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat670009a&prodId=prod1320013a http://sciborminiatures.com/en_,shop.php?art=1172 Doing second one now. It's quite huge, right size for Daemon Prince. For Blind Fury: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440111a&prodId=prod1710142a http://puppetswar.com/product.php?id_product=139 And for murderwrod either sword of Lord on Manticore (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440108a&prodId=prod1250010a) or puppetswar again: http://puppetswar.com/product.php?id_product=138 And for Skalathrax I've used simple flamer + music instrument from Chaos Knights (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440110a&prodId=prod1590018) just cut the nozzle from flamer, glue the head of musical instrument and move nozzle into the mouth of musical instrument. Looks quite daemonic. It's a real shame our artefacts list is that pathetic, in comparison to FB Chaos... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ambroz Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Phoros, try the Ogre Kingdom Tyrant in Aekold's above link. Looks like it might be around the correct size. Again just go with counts as for DWs and if anyone gives you then just don't play them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AekoldHelbrass Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Again just go with counts as for DWs and if anyone gives you then just don't play them. Don't you feel weird saying every time before the game "oh, and that axe, it's actually sword. and that sword, it's actually a mace."? I do, that's why I'm trying to stick with the name. I'm not opposed to "count as", half of my army is actually "count as", but I'm not proud of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ambroz Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 It would feel weird if the fluff wasn't previously written that every daemon weapon can change forms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevak Dal Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 For my guy with the MURDER SWORD, I took the Space Marine commander sword arm, and carved the sword down to be sort of like the Master Sword from the Legend of Zelda series complete with stormshield/Combat Shield (whatever the bit from the assault squad box is) count-as for the Mark of Tzeentch and Sigil of Corruption. For the Disc of Tzeentch he's riding on, I took two spare flying bases from my Tau Devil fishes, Hot Glue Gunned them together. Then I went about drilling in 'anchors' of paper clips and let it dry before green stuffing tentacles and various spikey bits (and all many of the horns I've cut off my CSMs). He may never see play, but he was fun to build and paint as a fallen Blood Raven Important guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slayer le Boucher Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 This is my Termi Lord with AoBF. http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/9769/img1335h.jpg In The Previous codex it was a Bloodfeeder, but its still looking enough has Glaive/Axe to serve as a AoBF. And My Second Termi Lord, at first i modeled him with two axes to plau him with LC's and called it Khorne's Axes. But now i can use it as the AoBR. http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/653/img1030t.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoros Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 @Slayer: How did you model the flames on that first guy's axeglaive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canardwc Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 It is a wizard sword from http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440090a&prodId=prod20018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fyurian Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/6190/dsc00937wy.jpg old DP with normal weapon; but with the new codex counts as DP MOK axe of blind fury http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/7903/dsc00939wx.jpg DP with black mace; WIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attomsk Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 I used DV weapons for the AoBF and Black Mace. My chaos lord can equip either depending on what I feel like fielding: http://i.imgur.com/hakE2.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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