Night Runner Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 I was going through my sparkling new Horus Heresy:Betrayal and I came upon a curious thing regarding the Space Wolves in the Allies' section. Apparently, the Space Wolves are staunch allies with the Salamanders, Raven Guard and the Imperial Fists. Now I don't argue with this but I have never read anything that validates this in the fluff - whether it is gaming fluff or Black Library fluff? Past or present, 30K or 40K? I can see why thy would be on excellent terms with the Salamanders and the Raven Guard. All three Legions are smaller in size and have obvious visible genetic deviations from the norm. These qualities might give them common ground to bond. And to be honest as a Space Wolf player, I have always liked the Raven Guard and Salamanders, so I guess it works. The Imperial Fists I find a bit harder to fathom? Maybe opposites attract? I do not know, but I like the Imperial Fists as well, and I am glad they are on good terms with the Wolves! Well can anyone shed some light on these choices from the fluff if it exists? NR Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270018-space-wolf-allies-during-the-horus-heresy/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Scourge Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 I don't know of any specific stories in the HH fiction that shed light on this. Information on the Salamanders is limited to a LE Novella. No mention of anything in Deliverance Lost, Prospero Burns, or the assorted short stories. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270018-space-wolf-allies-during-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-3289620 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMarko Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 ^ Yeah I could see them working with DA (even if they are not on the best terms), but I always thought that this was brotherly competition... But I could see them with Salamanders ( common things - death world,mutation, love for the common folks) Raven guard - maybe guerilla tactics? Imperial fists - anti codex, stubborn ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270018-space-wolf-allies-during-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-3289627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Imperial fists - anti codex, stubborn ? Actually, I suspect it's more a mutual attitude of "I have no idea what it is you guys do or how you get it done, and I really have no interest in understanding it. But you do it well, you do it honorably, and you do it for the Emperor - so you guys are alright by me.". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270018-space-wolf-allies-during-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-3289720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
greysquigg Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Really I think you could forge any kind of narrative for an allies game. In some circles the narrative outweighs winning entirely which make me a happy pup. You could think of reasons why any of the legions pre heresy could ally together. You could imagine a kind of school playground set of rules when it came to the brothers. Perhaps Russ and the Lion were joined at the hip when they were young but had some disagreement in their older age. I would love to field our green scaly friends with the wolves. Do the Horus Heresy books contains a different ally's chart? If they do not, perhaps they should. GS Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270018-space-wolf-allies-during-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-3289737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 @Beef they do indeed - without hijacking the thread it boils down to this (at least for us wolves) - Sworn Brothers (equivi of Battle Bros in regular) are as the OP said IFs, RG and Sallies. Fellow Warriors (those we're willing to fight with but aren't inviting home for tea and crumpets) are the White Scars, DAs, Ultras, Sons of Horus, World Eaters and Mechanicum. Distrusted Allies (those we're cool with but rather have them in front of our guns) are Emps Children, Iron Warriors, NLs, BAs, Iron Hands, Death Guard, Word Bearers, Alpha Legion and ofcs the Imperial Army. On The Emps Command (those we fight with only on his direct orders but detest) are only DAs and Thousand Sons. Now I'm doing this based off my pdf version as I'm away from home and as such haven't got the book in front of me (I am a simple soul so scanned my book onto my laptop). I can understand us be so close with Vulkan and his green boys, not sure about Corax tbh. I wouldn't have thought Russ would look to highly on his gene-splicing ways but would accept his motives and his martial prowess, I'd say the same for Dorn, I think Russ would find him a tad stuck up but a willing and formidable ally. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270018-space-wolf-allies-during-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-3289828 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 One of the HH books (primarchs) a primarch is thinking about who is trusted by Dorn, Who would win every battle if they team up, Russ is one of the trusted 4 that dorn talks about. I think it was Primarchs, but i cant find it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270018-space-wolf-allies-during-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-3289906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Remember the Wolves are the only Chapter outside the Raven gaurd that know about the failed raven gaurd aspirants that were mutated beyond recognision. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270018-space-wolf-allies-during-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-3290116 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Remember the Wolves are the only Chapter outside the Raven gaurd that know about the failed raven gaurd aspirants that were mutated beyond recognision. That would be post Heresy. Probably during the Scouring. As the legend of the Weregeld is when they are both laying siege to an Iron Warriors stronghold. The only fluff reference I've seen where it is said that Russ is close to another primarch was in the Horus Heresy Artbooks. It is mentioned that Russ and the Khan were good friends. Once the books started it seemed that BL were distancing the Wolves from all other Legions. Most didn't want to deal with them and "Prospero Burns" turned it up a notch. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270018-space-wolf-allies-during-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-3291435 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 One of the HH books (primarchs) a primarch is thinking about who is trusted by Dorn, Who would win every battle if they team up, Russ is one of the trusted 4 that dorn talks about. I think it was Primarchs, but i cant find it I believe your referencing Guilliman in "Know No Fear", where he mentions his "Dauntless Few". The "Dauntless Few" are 4 Primarchs that Guilliman believes, if he allied with, he could win any war under any conditions. the "Dauntless Few" are Russ, Manus, Dorn and Sanguinius. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270018-space-wolf-allies-during-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-3291738 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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