St Celestine - wing conversion?

[Haranin]

Hi

My wife is getting back into 40k, and my three year has expressed an interest in "daddy's toys" as well. Already the young one has spent a few days painting with daddy. (I do feel sorry for the DV marines forcably painted up in "rainbow warrior" colors).

CinC House is an ardent sister player. Poking around the gaming closet, we found a small box of 10 seraphim, and 20 battle sisters including 2 flamers and 2 meltas. The seraphim will need alot of converting to play, missing some backpacks, to many special weapons and two sargants.

This of course means she needs a HQ, and for a SoB who loves flame, and seraphim, is there any question as who must purge the unclean with fire and flame?

Ordering a St Celestine for her direct, and making up the rest of the free shipping amount with some epic minis (see all the money I saved on shipping! ).

Considering I will need to do quite a bit of repair work anyways, I might as well do some more on the HQ... so finally getting to my questions....

1. Wife would like large wings for St. Celestine. I prefer plastic so they don't snap; metal would be ok assuming I use enough epoxy and pins... What have other people used sucessfuly for St. Celestine conversions?

2. For the unit of Seraphim escorting her, since I need to replace some backpacks anyways, I might as well make up some smaller wing conversions. What have other people used for that?

Thanks!

On a final note, after watching the new dark angels flyer at a tournament, I see it being repurposed as a standin Avenger strike fighter...

[CommissarHarris]

Canoness Aria Deus, is a Seraphim. Her feet were cut off and re-positioned so as to make her standing rather than waftey-floatey. Her arms were replaced with a Demon Huter inquisitor models arms, making her then blessed weapon a Power Hammer

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-7YWZtpkFcbw/UPqVKW1bMzI/AAAAAAAABEI/CfoOVXaFDgM/s1600/AriaDeus_02.JPG

 

Her backpack is constructed from a Sister of Battle back pack with the balls cut off and replaced with Swooping Hawk wings and fared over with greenstuff. The Icon above her head used to be the Icon of the original Canoness.

[*Furyou Miko]

Much as I loathe 'Winged Celestine', the best wings to use would probably either be the ones from Brettonian Pegasus Knights. If you wanted something smaller and easier to pack away, then Sanguinary Guard jump packs might offer what you want. Pegasus Knight for Celestine and Sanguinary Guard for Seraphim, I guess.

 

As far as Seraphim are concerned, it sounds like you've got two squads of five, so I'd just use them that way rather than hacking them up to try and make one squad of ten. You can always get more standard bolter-seraphim to expand the squads later, and they work fine as five-man kill teams with dual special weapons.

[CommissarHarris]

Ive seen a few passable winged conversions using the new Blood angels Sanguniary Guard wings.

 

Miko, why do wings invoke such ire?

[CaptainHelion]

From what I remember, it's because there's no reason for them, given the fluff. St Celestine was a member of the Repentia who survived at least two separate assaults, found the Armour of St Katherine and the Ardent Blade, and was declared a living saint. No mention of wings there.

It is worth mentioning that in the 3rd Ed Witchhunters 'Dex, she is accompanied by artwork that shows her with wings, and she has a rule called "Wings of Faith", which allow her to move like a Jump, and are described in a way that could easily be construed to suggest that she has actual wings.

 

Personally, I have no preference either way, but my Celestine came with a pair of (presumably Wood Elf eagle) wings already attached. So wings it is.

[*Furyou Miko]

Pretty much. She doesn't have a 'wings of faith' rule, she's just listed as Jump Infantry, by the way.

 

The artwork by Karl Kopinsky that depicts her as 'winged' shows her with translucent, almost ghostly wings. It's pretty obvious they're not a literal interpretation of what was actually there. I guess I might accept it if someone made a winged Celestine but used one of those resin casting kits to give her translucent blue or golden wings in the spirit of that image (it's a black and white sketch, so...), but saying "She's a saint so she has wings" is like saying "Ephrael Stern had white hair, so ALL battle sisters have white hair!"

[CaptainHelion]

Indeed. And I meant to say that the Wings of Faith was from the 3rd Ed 'Dex, as well, but I clearly didn't say it as well a I needed to. My mistake.

Translucent wings would be boss as frak. I would like those.

[*Furyou Miko]

It wasn't there, either. At least, not as I remember. >> I've since managed to leave both my Witch Hunter codexes at my parents' house, probably because I don't use them any more.

[CommissarHarris]

Mine has wings because She is "Counts As". She began life just after the release of Witch hunters codex when she could be a canoness with a jump pack and blessed weapon. She has wings because all of my seraphim have wings. Nowadays because the Canoness is so poor (especially compared to Celestine for the points), and can't be equipped with a jump pack, Canoness Aria Deus has been elevated to a Living Saint. That's my excuse. :-)

[*Furyou Miko]

lol, I don't get people who give Seraphim feathered wings. I really like the Seraphim jump pack model.

 

That's probably why my Living Saint has one (I use Celestine's rules, but the model is actually converted to look like Ephrael Stern);

 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/KaguraHakubi/IK%20and%2040K/My%20Projects/Ephrael002.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/KaguraHakubi/IK%20and%2040K/My%20Projects/Ephrael003.jpg

 

The scarred part on the back of her skirt where there's no paint is where her second bolt pistol holster should stick :( It fell off during a game and consequently disappeared).

[CaptainHelion]

I can confirm, having my Witchhunters codex right here in front of me, that St Celestine does in fact of Wings of Faith. Or at least she does in my copy. Right above the quote, and right below the Faithful rule.

I actually prefer the Seraphim jump packs to anything else that GW has brought out (Although the Sanguinary Guard packs come a close second). If I wasn't as strapped for both bits and cash, I'd want to convert Celestine to have one.

[Hanska]

I'm all about "your miniatures, your fluff, your choice". But let's face it, a girl with wings is a mutant and we all know what to do with mutants.

Wing-like constructions on jump packs on the other hand, I do really like.

 

Edit: typo

[Azekai]

I'm all about "your miniatures, your fluff, your choice". But let's face it, a girl with wings is a mutant and we all know what to do with mutants.

Wing-like constructions on jump packs on the other hand, I do really like.

The Imperium is rife with hypocrisy and illogic. Sanguinus was one of the most blatant mutants in the Empire but he got a pass. A gal that has wings sprouting from her back but is constantly being brought back from the dead by the 'Will of the Emperor' is more likely to be revered than reviled. Even if people have personal doubts, it is not easy declaring a Living Saint a traitor or charlatan- see Saint Sabbat's reincarnation.

 

If you are obviously favored by the Emperor enough, even those pesky monodominants will leave you alone.

 

Do what you will, Haranin.

[derpasaurus]

i personally don't have wings on mine, because yeah, she doesn't REALLY have wings, and i can't paint anything object source or whatever to save my life, so the effect i would want to get with wings would be totally lost. (plus i just like the little roboangels) having said that, the models i've seen with wings DO look totally bad ass.

i think most of them have used the pegasus knight wings, as stated. i never thought of putting wings on the rank and file seraphim, but if i were to do any converting on them it would be probably just to put the sanginary guard jump packs on them. i'm a sucker for unique/different jump packs.. my raptors have some old pre-heresy resin packs on them... and then the new raptors came out and looked even cooler. :/ lol

[Hanska]

I'm all about "your miniatures, your fluff, your choice". But let's face it, a girl with wings is a mutant and we all know what to do with mutants.

Wing-like constructions on jump packs on the other hand, I do really like.

The Imperium is rife with hypocrisy and illogic. Sanguinus was one of the most blatant mutants in the Empire but he got a pass. A gal that has wings sprouting from her back but is constantly being brought back from the dead by the 'Will of the Emperor' is more likely to be revered than reviled. Even if people have personal doubts, it is not easy declaring a Living Saint a traitor or charlatan- see Saint Sabbat's reincarnation.

 

If you are obviously favored by the Emperor enough, even those pesky monodominants will leave you alone.

 

Do what you will, Haranin.

Have to admit you have a good point there

[Sarducci]

I used armorcast wings on my Seraphim and St. Celestine.

 

http://armorcast.com/store/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=wings&osCsid=78a7bfe872cf357e93a5937d08a92df9&x=0&y=0

 

Small one on Seraphim, large on Celestine. Also, look at their cinematic effects. Great for conversions.

 

Because I used wings, I have 25ish Seraphim backpacks I don't use. PM if interested.

[Master Omega]

While my, admittedly still planned, conversion involves wings they are not of the feathery kind so in the end they may not be what you are shooting for:

 

Mechanical Wings

 

I have those bits in front of me right now and while the wings are a bit on the large side for Seraphim they are just looking too sweet to my little 'metal-steampunk'-heart no to use them. And since i plan to give my Sister, when i finally get away from the night shift and get my order of new brushes, a somewhat worn look playing on the theme of "long campaign, used what we could salvage to keep moving" I hope that I can make it work.

 

Though if someone was able to make the above mentioned translucent blue wings work i am first in line to ste- ahem, adopt that idea for my own Saint.

 

And on the topic of feathery wings these once looked tempting to me but I moved away from real wings for the product above. There may be a few other wing types in the Reaper range you may find to your liking even though they are all metal pieces.

[derpasaurus]

While my, admittedly still planned, conversion involves wings they are not of the feathery kind so in the end they may not be what you are shooting for:

 

Mechanical Wings

 

I have those bits in front of me right now and while the wings are a bit on the large side for Seraphim they are just looking too sweet to my little 'metal-steampunk'-heart no to use them. And since i plan to give my Sister, when i finally get away from the night shift and get my order of new brushes, a somewhat worn look playing on the theme of "long campaign, used what we could salvage to keep moving" I hope that I can make it work.

 

Though if someone was able to make the above mentioned translucent blue wings work i am first in line to ste- ahem, adopt that idea for my own Saint.

 

And on the topic of feathery wings these once looked tempting to me but I moved away from real wings for the product above. There may be a few other wing types in the Reaper range you may find to your liking even though they are all metal pieces.

i like B :D

[BenjamminUK]

I used armorcast wings on my Seraphim and St. Celestine.

 

http://armorcast.com/store/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=wings&osCsid=78a7bfe872cf357e93a5937d08a92df9&x=0&y=0

 

Small one on Seraphim, large on Celestine. Also, look at their cinematic effects. Great for conversions.

 

Because I used wings, I have 25ish Seraphim backpacks I don't use. PM if interested.

 

Do armour say ship to uk ??

 

 

While my, admittedly still planned, conversion involves wings they are not of the feathery kind so in the end they may not be what you are shooting for:

 

Mechanical Wings

 

I have those bits in front of me right now and while the wings are a bit on the large side for Seraphim they are just looking too sweet to my little 'metal-steampunk'-heart no to use them. And since i plan to give my Sister, when i finally get away from the night shift and get my order of new brushes, a somewhat worn look playing on the theme of "long campaign, used what we could salvage to keep moving" I hope that I can make it work.

 

Though if someone was able to make the above mentioned translucent blue wings work i am first in line to ste- ahem, adopt that idea for my own Saint.

 

And on the topic of feathery wings these once looked tempting to me but I moved away from real wings for the product above. There may be a few other wing types in the Reaper range you may find to your liking even though they are all metal pieces.

 

 

http://basicks.eu/shop/index.php?id_product=226&controller=product they look awesome :-)

[*Furyou Miko]

The mechanical wings are awesome. I'd accept a Celestine with those without a problem. You'll find that the official Celestine model is quite a bit larger than a normal Seraphim, so they'd probably fit on her without a problem.

The translucent wings should be quite easy to do if you have the cash - I know that our local giant toy shop has an arts and crafts section that sells resin casting kits designed to let you make 'glass' orbs to protect display objects. I guess it would take a little experimentation with dyes - probably ink or food dye would be best - to get the right level of transparency and colour. You'd probably need some Instant Mold to get the shape of the wings though, I don't know if the kits come with anything like that or if they just have solid shapes included. They run to about £28/£30, but there's a lot more resin in there than you'd need for a little project like this!

[BenjamminUK]

The mechanical wings are awesome. I'd accept a Celestine with those without a problem. You'll find that the official Celestine model is quite a bit larger than a normal Seraphim, so they'd probably fit on her without a problem.

Well with your approval miko I may have to get a set if they ship to the UK, because I think they will look awesome :-)

[Bjorn Firewalker]

Is it possible to use the Blood Angels' new jump packs on Celestine?

[*Furyou Miko]

It's possible. I think Celestine has a dip rather than a bump, so depending on how those attach (I suspect they also have a dip) you may want to use a little blob of green stuff to increase the contact surface area.

[Sarducci]

@ BenjimanUK,

 

I bought them at a convention, so I am not sure if they ship overseas, but I think they do.

[BenjamminUK]

Just check out site they do :-)