godking Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Which Primarch was the most least likely to be corrupted ? My vote goes to Vulkan. I dont see any glaring flaws that could have been used to corrupt him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270050-primarch-who-was-least-likey-to-be-corrupted/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereticus81 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 There's a great bit in betrayer when Lorgar's talking about the upcoming events in Fear To Tread. Warning the following contains a minor spoiler from Betrayer - He basically says that Sanguinius' wings, a minor mutation, ensures he won't run against the Emperor. The line of thought is that Sangy fears what such a mutation could entail and tries harder than ever to prove himself to the Emps Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270050-primarch-who-was-least-likey-to-be-corrupted/#findComment-3290006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMarko Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 There's a great bit in betrayer when Lorgar's talking about the upcoming events in Fear To Tread. Warning the following contains a minor spoiler from Betrayer - He basically says that Sanguinius' wings, a minor mutation, ensures he won't run against the Emperor. The line of thought is that Sangy fears what such a mutation could entail and tries harder than ever to prove himself to the Emps Actually NO, evident in the "fear to thread" Sanguinius almost joined chaos (for noble reason,yes), but still if his legion didn't stopped him :-).... But if you ignore his Mary Sueish portrayal and look at his little touch by chaos - NO.... Also I say Russ (insert dog gene jokes), DORN (guy went emo after emp went meatbag) There is only the Emperor, none is worthy on inheriting that mantle." - Lion El'Jonson... Those are mine top three picks... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270050-primarch-who-was-least-likey-to-be-corrupted/#findComment-3290275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 The least likely? It depends on the answerers perspective and views on the primarchs. I know it's kind of a meta answer but really any of the Primarchs could have been corrupted given the appropriate circumstances and motives (as has been explored to varying depths and 'realistic' likelihoods by numerous 'alternative 40k' projects). For every reason one particular candidate would be put forward, a corresponding rebuttal could be issued with equal (for lack of a better word) surety. Basically, what this boils down to is personal preference at the end of the day because no one primarch can truly lay claim to 'least corruptable' without having arguable alternative claimants. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270050-primarch-who-was-least-likey-to-be-corrupted/#findComment-3290281 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSocks Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 I think before the Heresy you would have said Horus was the least corruptable (and so would his men, and the other primarchs, I mean Dorn even punches garro across the room when he tries to tell him that Horus has turned....I mean Warmaster Horus of course... =D) Remember that the origins of the turn to chaos was a belief that they were doing so for the good of the imperium. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270050-primarch-who-was-least-likey-to-be-corrupted/#findComment-3290297 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassWave Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 I would like to remind everyone that Ferrus was the first to refuse to betray the Emperor, even when his closest brother tried to persuade him. However I will also add that if the other primarchs were put through the same near death experience that Horus had, they would have most likely all turned as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270050-primarch-who-was-least-likey-to-be-corrupted/#findComment-3290306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 I would say that NO primarch was immune to corruption, but certain ones were better prepared to fight it off. Guilliman, Dorn, Russ, Vulkan, and the Khan, in my opinion, were better prepared to fight off chaos corruption because they had a a subservient role in their upbringing before they took command. they learned the responsibility of command, rather than simply taking or being given it. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270050-primarch-who-was-least-likey-to-be-corrupted/#findComment-3290310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMarko Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 I would like to remind everyone that Ferrus was the first to refuse to betray the Emperor, even when his closest brother tried to persuade him. However I will also add that if the other primarchs were put through the same near death experience that Horus had, they would have most likely all turned as well. You know that for a fact? No offense, but that's a conjecture on your behalf... Also agree on Ferrus - he literary lost his head over loyality.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270050-primarch-who-was-least-likey-to-be-corrupted/#findComment-3290311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForTheLion Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Lionel was clearly the least corrupt! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270050-primarch-who-was-least-likey-to-be-corrupted/#findComment-3290312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veteran Sergeant Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 If you were to pick one, it would have to be Guilliman. He seemed to have no aspirations to do anything else than what he felt he was supposed to do. He was the Good Son. Chaos would have had little to offer him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270050-primarch-who-was-least-likey-to-be-corrupted/#findComment-3290322 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 I would like to remind everyone that Ferrus was the first to refuse to betray the Emperor, even when his closest brother tried to persuade him. However I will also add that if the other primarchs were put through the same near death experience that Horus had, they would have most likely all turned as well. You know that for a fact? No offense, but that's a conjecture on your behalf... Also agree on Ferrus - he literary lost his head over loyality.... Regarding the bold, the first account of a primarch refusing to turn traitor is Ferrus when Fulgrim tried to convince him to join the Warmaster. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270050-primarch-who-was-least-likey-to-be-corrupted/#findComment-3290326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 It's in the novel Fulgrim, when Fulgrim visited him on his own flagship, and then there was a huge fight and was the primary reason Manus flew into Istvaan with only the Morlocks while the majority of his Legion was left behind. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270050-primarch-who-was-least-likey-to-be-corrupted/#findComment-3290327 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSocks Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 I would like to remind everyone that Ferrus was the first to refuse to betray the Emperor, even when his closest brother tried to persuade him. However I will also add that if the other primarchs were put through the same near death experience that Horus had, they would have most likely all turned as well. You know that for a fact? No offense, but that's a conjecture on your behalf... Also agree on Ferrus - he literary lost his head over loyality.... Regarding the bold, the first account of a primarch refusing to turn traitor is Ferrus when Fulgrim tried to convince him to join the Warmaster. I think he was talking about: "However I will also add that if the other primarchs were put through the same near death experience that Horus had, they would have most likely all turned as well." Though I agree with you, the other primarchs were never tested the way Horus was, and at the end of the day he BELIEVED he was doing so for the good of the Imperium. (at least at first) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270050-primarch-who-was-least-likey-to-be-corrupted/#findComment-3290331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oir Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 I think that Brother Marko was referring to this line: However I will also add that if the other primarchs were put through the same near death experience that Horus had, they would have most likely all turned as well. Which was not presented as a fact so the point somewhat remains Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270050-primarch-who-was-least-likey-to-be-corrupted/#findComment-3290333 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 I think that Brother Marko was referring to this line: However I will also add that if the other primarchs were put through the same near death experience that Horus had, they would have most likely all turned as well. Which was not presented as a fact so the point somewhat remains Ah, that could be. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270050-primarch-who-was-least-likey-to-be-corrupted/#findComment-3290349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMarko Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 I think that Brother Marko was referring to this line: However I will also add that if the other primarchs were put through the same near death experience that Horus had, they would have most likely all turned as well. Which was not presented as a fact so the point somewhat remains Yeah it is little unfair to say they would all turned, because you can't know that for a fact....They all had different pressure points, but even Horus said that some of his brothers would never turn from the Empy.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270050-primarch-who-was-least-likey-to-be-corrupted/#findComment-3290365 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 I think that Brother Marko was referring to this line: However I will also add that if the other primarchs were put through the same near death experience that Horus had, they would have most likely all turned as well. Which was not presented as a fact so the point somewhat remains Yeah it is little unfair to say they would all turned, because you can't know that for a fact....They all had different pressure points, but even Horus said that some of his brothers would never turn from the Empy.... this is the same Horus that thought the Khan would turn from the Emperor...so he wasn't always right. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270050-primarch-who-was-least-likey-to-be-corrupted/#findComment-3290366 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 My picks in no specific order are Sanguinius, Dorn, Mannus, Vulkan and Corax. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270050-primarch-who-was-least-likey-to-be-corrupted/#findComment-3290380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 To be honest, I think Lorgar perhaps knew who would turn better than Horus did. Horus was insistent that Sanguinius would turn. Kor Phaeron was confident Gulliman could turn. Yet despite the fact that there were futures in which they turned, Lorgar basically called both of them fools for believing it would happen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270050-primarch-who-was-least-likey-to-be-corrupted/#findComment-3290386 Share on other sites More sharing options...
playedsincedaemonhunters Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 The fact that lorgar alone fell from grace is proof anyone could. The Primarch Chaplain of the the Emperors truth turned. No one was safe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270050-primarch-who-was-least-likey-to-be-corrupted/#findComment-3290554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MordentHex Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 All the Primarchs where Tested by the Gods, None of them passed the tests completely, but most pulled away from the corruption. Basically Horus and the Other Primarchs that later became Deamon Primarchs are the ones that fell completely. The ones that died "excluding horus" and the rest never fell to Chaos. Sure, maybe they went insaine, disapeared, or what not, but they didn't fall. Of the Primarchs that were least likely to fall it is stated Sanguinius "for his Love and fear" and Gulliman " learned Incorruptablity." I would also put in for Dorn and Manus for there loyalty until death. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270050-primarch-who-was-least-likey-to-be-corrupted/#findComment-3290705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 It's safe to say that once a primarch falls into a Chaos God's clutches, it is game over. Case in point Mortarion, the most resilient of all primarchs, basically begged Nurgle to "MAKE IT STOP!". This isn't playing into someone's weakness like Chaos Gods mostly do due to their limitations. This is sheer overwhelming. It means Dorn's stony personality or Sanguinius humility or Guilliman's whatever counts for nil when you have their full attention. As for the least convertable Primarch it is between Sang and Lion. Sang has all the positive(humility, compassion) and negative(fear) emotions stacked up against corruption while Lion seems to have a strange resistance against Chaos, seeing how he lived in a chaos infested planet yet remained pure. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270050-primarch-who-was-least-likey-to-be-corrupted/#findComment-3290837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereticus81 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 There's a great bit in betrayer when Lorgar's talking about the upcoming events in Fear To Tread. Warning the following contains a minor spoiler from Betrayer - He basically says that Sanguinius' wings, a minor mutation, ensures he won't run against the Emperor. The line of thought is that Sangy fears what such a mutation could entail and tries harder than ever to prove himself to the Emps Actually NO, evident in the "fear to thread" Sanguinius almost joined chaos (for noble reason,yes), but still if his legion didn't stopped him :-).... But if you ignore his Mary Sueish portrayal and look at his little touch by chaos - NO.... Also I say Russ (insert dog gene jokes), DORN (guy went emo after emp went meatbag) There is only the Emperor, none is worthy on inheriting that mantle." - Lion El'Jonson... Those are mine top three picks... I actually forgot about the events of Fear To Tread tbh which is a pity as it was one of my most anticipated books despite the way JS wrote the BA in his 40k books. The fact that lorgar alone fell from grace is proof anyone could. The Primarch Chaplain of the the Emperors truth turned. No one was safe. tbf Lorgar wasn't the biggest fan of the Emps following the events of Monarchia and then went looking for a real god to worship. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270050-primarch-who-was-least-likey-to-be-corrupted/#findComment-3290921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 I don't remember anything in FtT that indicated Sanguinius even once considered turning to Chaos. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270050-primarch-who-was-least-likey-to-be-corrupted/#findComment-3290934 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 I don't remember anything in FtT that indicated Sanguinius even once considered turning to Chaos. i cant find the "spoiler" option, so i typed it in white. In Fear to Tread, Sangy was almost bribed to Chaos by the greater slaneeshi daemon offering to cure the Blood Angels of the red thirst. He was about to accept the offer when a Blood Angel Apothecary leapt in front of him and prevented him from doing so. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270050-primarch-who-was-least-likey-to-be-corrupted/#findComment-3290966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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