BassWave Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 I don't know if the rest of you have noticed but it was not fixed in the recent FAQ. Techmarines and command squads can be taken for every HQ choice you take, but other techmarines and command squads do not count. Nothing wrong here. However, servitors are an HQ choice and there are no stipulations against using them to unlock more command squads and techmarines. This could potentially lead to having multiple techmarines and command squads by just taking a servitor for every techmarine that is unlocked... Nothing in the codex that I have read bars the servitors from being used in this way. Just thought I'd bring this up for all of you gathering errata to point out for the next FAQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grafius Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Yeah can see how this could be exploited. Don't know why they didn't make Servitors a sub section of techmarine as opposed to there own listing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jehoel Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 They are a sub section of Techmarine. "You may include one unit of servitors for each Techmarine". You cannot take servitors on their own, so there is no problem here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassWave Posted January 27, 2013 Author Share Posted January 27, 2013 Look again at the servitor entry, it is a separate HQ choice, it is just unlocked by a techmarine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CovertToaster Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Yeah I agree, they are usually under a techmarine's options and are treated like wargear but here they aren't. However under the command squad entries techmarines don't allow you to take PA command squads, servitors do, but the other two are only unlocked, respectively, by HQ's that can take TDA or a bike. Just a pity that command squads can never be scoring units otherwise you could run all three sacred standards and cheese it right up. Although you could squeeze in some tac squads to do the scoring! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Tates Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Pretty sure it says in the Standards part of the Codex that two standards are always in the Rock and only one is ever in use. Not with my Codex so not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Immolator Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Since neither the tech marine neither his servitors take up an HQ slot NEITHER can have a command squad. It is a stretching of the rules to think otherwise IMHO like the arguement of the flyers gun counting as a bolter for the banners salvo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassWave Posted January 28, 2013 Author Share Posted January 28, 2013 My point is that this could be abused in the future, and that the sooner its taken care of in a FAQ the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Immolator Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 My point is that this could be abused in the future, and that the sooner its taken care of in a FAQ the better. Agreed, though I believe it is clear and that no faq is required. It might be a nessesary step though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleqvin Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 They are still an HQ choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDoc Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 And unfortunately there are still people underhanded enough to abuse any given situation, even in situations where it is abundantly clear that doing so goes completely against the intent of the rules and will show them for the cheats they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlauG Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Maybe the intent was to allow a counts-as Mechanicus army? :) About the same level as the Ravenwing Command Squads/Techmarine issue brought up a while back really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Immolator Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 They are still an HQ choice. Which doesnt take a slot and cannot be named a Warlord. As it is right now (without a FAQ) it might be considered legal. But who honestly believes that when the guys who make the rules and FAQs will allow it? It is like stealing a candy and say that you didnt because nobody seen you do it...Come on people common sense, let it rule for once, just once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CovertToaster Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 They are still an HQ choice. Which doesnt take a slot and cannot be named a Warlord. As it is right now (without a FAQ) it might be considered legal. But who honestly believes that when the guys who make the rules and FAQs will allow it? It is like stealing a candy and say that you didnt because nobody seen you do it...Come on people common sense, let it rule for once, just once I agree that it is wrong and that the presentation in the army list was an oversight. But I bet this gets FAQ'd and the hurricane bolters are judged legitimate! After all I only see limited and expensive applications for the SoD combined with dark talon's/LRC's anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlauG Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 I agree that it is wrong and that the presentation in the army list was an oversight. But I bet this gets FAQ'd and the hurricane bolters are judged legitimate! After all I only see limited and expensive applications for the SoD combined with dark talon's/LRC's anyway. For what it's worth, I think that Hurricane Bolters are legitimate targets for the Standard of Devastation as they are specified to be a set of three twin-linked Boltguns... But I think the comment about the Nephilim's weapon was regarding the school of thought that the Avenger Mega-Bolter should also be made Salvo 2/4, as it is a "Bolter", along with Storm Bolters, Bolt Pistols, Heavy Bolters, and the Vulcan Mega-Bolter... :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Immolator Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Yeah, Ill equip all my marines with vulcan mega bolters after that :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isiah Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Reading through these answers - I'd be wary about calling people 'cheats' when they are in fact following what's is currently permitted. So let's cut that kind of remark out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skalver Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Reading through these answers - I'd be wary about calling people 'cheats' when they are in fact following what's is currently permitted. So let's cut that kind of remark out. I would say that if a player is deliberately pretending not to see what is totally obvious then they are trying to cheat. The only way anyone could claim they thought this was how the rules were supposed to be interpreted is to lie about it, and if you are lying about how you think the rules were intended to be interpreted then you are, to all intents and purposes, cheating. What is cheating if not being dishonest with your opponent for an in game advantage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleqvin Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 I am not saying that it is right nor that I would do it, just that it is legal as of now. No matter how you cut it. I think it should be FAQ'ed as it doesn't make sense just like the Techmarine on a bike unlocking a RWCS, doesn't make sense with all the other Command Squads. There are a few things that don't make sense even after the FAQ. Why did they change the line in the DWCS for the Champion to how they did? It leaves it open for for interpretation to being any DW Terrminator in the army, kinda like the RWCS does for a Black knight. It should have been left alone and added an * at the end if it was meant as only one per army, which is how I am thinking it is intended. but that's another issue. RAW and RAI both can be debatable, even RAI can be debatable by the reader.... Plus there are still a few things that need further clarification but I am not going into that as i don't want another thread getting locked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Immolator Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Even, if we accept that it is an intented, whats the purpose of it? What does an army list stand to gain by having multiple command squads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facmanpob Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Even, if we accept that it is an intented, whats the purpose of it? What does an army list stand to gain by having multiple command squads? The only thing I can think of is if you wanted multiple banners e.g. a RWCS with a banner and a PA Command Squad with a Standard of Devastation in the backfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlauG Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 The most useful single combo I can think of is having a PA Command Squad in a vehicle with Fortitide supporting a Deathwing army where the DW Squad has the DW banner... Or where a DW Command squad is the hammer against a Tactical Squad Devastation Banner firebase anvil. Conversely, in a Fast-Attack-Saturated Ravenwing army, it might be nice to have 3-man Black Knight Squads (aka naked command squads) unlocked by Biker Techmarines. On the other hand, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Immolator Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Even, if we accept that it is an intented, whats the purpose of it? What does an army list stand to gain by having multiple command squads? The only thing I can think of is if you wanted multiple banners e.g. a RWCS with a banner and a PA Command Squad with a Standard of Devastation in the backfield. Take Azrael and be done with that I guess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facmanpob Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Even, if we accept that it is an intented, whats the purpose of it? What does an army list stand to gain by having multiple command squads? The only thing I can think of is if you wanted multiple banners e.g. a RWCS with a banner and a PA Command Squad with a Standard of Devastation in the backfield. Take Azrael and be done with that I guess? Yep, I can't really see the need for multiple Command squads.....I can never find enough points to include all of the hard-hitting units, let alone the "optional" ones! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartans Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 The only thing I can think of is if you wanted multiple banners e.g. a Even, if we accept that it is an intented, whats the purpose of it? What does an army list stand to gain by having multiple command squads? The only thing I can think of is if you wanted multiple banners e.g. a RWCS with a banner and a PA Command Squad with a Standard of Devastation in the backfield. or RWCS with RW Banner and a PA Command Squad with Devastation in a LRC ohhh 24 TL shots every turn due to PoMS and throw in a Techmarine with harness so you can repair that LRC on a 4+. Just a shame you cant get a tech marine 3 servitors and the banner in the LRC as that would repair on 2 plus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.