Brother Tancred Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Hi guys, I'm in the process of collecting the entire 5th company and can't decide on where the veteran squad should go. Should they be part of the 100 marines structure and replace the 1st tactical squad or should they be separate from the structure (so a company is 116 marines strong when including the command squad as well)? It doesn't really say in the codex, only that the 3rd-9th companies have them but in the Chapter structure section it list all those companies without them. Unless it is referring to any guys spread out amongst the squads in robes and that they can be pluck out at any moment to form the veteran squad. Cheers for any help, Brother Tancred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Brushes Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Company vets are (from what I could tell) chosen from each of the ten squads and form a unit that is not a part of the codex organisation. Thus, the company is 106 marines. If you were wanting to make the whole company, I would suggest just replacing First Squad with the vets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
company veteran Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 i always believed that vets were from the first company.. but im prob wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haranin Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Yes, you are wrong. Check the codex fluff on company vets; they are experienced marines from their own company (3-10) that are formed into ad hoc units. These units may last for taking a particular objective, to a campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Tancred Posted January 30, 2013 Author Share Posted January 30, 2013 Yes, you are wrong. Check the codex fluff on company vets; they are experienced marines from their own company (3-10) that are formed into ad hoc units. These units may last for taking a particular objective, to a campaign. Well I'm not wrong as I said this at the end of the first post, by the way the 10th company don't have veteran squads ;) so I assume that in your opinion I should just have robed guys distributed between the squads instead of making the first squad all veterans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiron Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 If I am not mistaken the codex allow you to take sergeant or veteran sergeant to lead your squads? If I am correct, I would think that Company Veterans Squad is squad composed of the company veterans, who are now leading the squads of their own. But I think that's just my point of view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother dean Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Yes, you are wrong. Check the codex fluff on company vets; they are experienced marines from their own company (3-10) that are formed into ad hoc units. These units may last for taking a particular objective, to a campaign. This! I used to use 1st squad as my command squads (because in Epic you had 3 squads tac, 3 squads assault and 3 squads Dev and a command squad, a lots changed since then) so I used 5th squad as my vets squad. (5th of the 5th) cause it made sense and it was what I had open at the time. Now I would mark them with the red skull and not give them a number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoebus Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Key passage:"Each battle company from the 3rd to the 9th has a cadre of [Veterans] ... At times of need, a company can gather such Dark Angels into a single unit, a powerful formation of Company Veterans. ... Such arrangements often last for just a single battle, although it is not unknown for these formations to stay together to achieve a ... long term objective, or ... to fight together throughout an entire campaign." As such, I'm not sure it makes sense to use ANY squad (1st-10th) to represent the Company Veterans. They are an ad-hoc unit that is raised as needed. I suppose if you wanted to be very realistic about how you depicted your company and didn't want them to exceed the Codex limit (107 battle-brothers, including the Captain, the Chaplain, and the Company Command Squad?), you could subtract 5-10 Space Marines from your squads (depending on how many Company Veterans you're fielding) to represent them having given up their Veterans. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rizara Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Yeah, I plan to use my veterans as first squad. Another idea is to use the veterans as an extra assault squad if you want, say veteran assault specialists. The idea is that they are simply members of squads that have either survive many combats, and their former squadmates are dead, or just veterans of countless wars....say for example your battle company was pretty much wiped out except for say 20-30 marines. You then have to replace them, and most likely they will pull replacements from the reserve companies. So these 20-30 vetarans have to go somehere. Most will make up the command squad, the commander, and veteran sergeants, but the rest have to go somewhere, so they form a squad or two of them. These fill in normal squad slots within the battle company, and often they will fill in a tactical role, or assault role. They wouldn't really add to the command squad +10 squad make up of the company, but replace an existing unit within that company. Most often they will form squad 1,or 2 if that was the case and the company was having to rebuild or replace the empy squads that were almost annihilated. This is just how I view the company veterans. For me, I plan to use them as squad 1 in my organization, with squads 2-6 just being normal tactical, and then 7-8 as assault, and 9-10 as devestators. Fielding it on the battle, that then free's up one troop slot to take a scout squad as support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Blaire Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 They are generally part of the normal Company compliment, but are formed into ad hoc squads (meaning in military terms something like "a military unit created under special circumstances, for a specific purpose or task, not intended to last beyond their reason for formation") for a battle, task or longer duty in a campaign, as Phoebus stated and the Codex states. They are not a standing formation and therefore in the Codex terms would not have a squad designation. They would just be members of other squads gathered together, whether they be veteran sergeants or just squad members who have distinguished themselves. That said, I think that each of us can envision them in whatever way we each want, but the above is how the Codex describes it (per Phoebus' quote). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haranin Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 think of the german term Kampfgruppe. Ad hoc group of anything from a squad to an army group for a particular task. Most would be formed for a particular battle/objective. Sometimes it could be a few months. Some actually became semi established units that served for months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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