spu00sed Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 I woke up at stupid o'clock this morning needing the loo. As I neared it I had a sudden realisation. The alpha legions tactics of using massed auxiliary to do heir work had been used before. In betrayal the Emperor's Children are noted as working very closely with the imperial army attached to them. Though later on they switched to pure legion force. The alphas were also known to use large amounts of auxiliary, though they kept using them even after gaining legion stength. So my postulate is this Did the alphas borrow from the tactics of the Emperors Children? Or was it a standard tactic for under strength legions? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270502-alpha-legion-did-they-learn-their-style-from-the-ec/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronotonic Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 I dont think the alpha legion was ever really understrenght...maybe the last created thus the fewer numbers to start out with time wise but I think they do it to save their own man power for where it is needed... Over all the novels I have read I have counted maybe 200 legionaires that includes Legion because they never tell how many are there but when they teleported down is when I have seen the largest concentration of Legionaires out of the entire HH series... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270502-alpha-legion-did-they-learn-their-style-from-the-ec/#findComment-3294891 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Except for Calth and maybe Armatura. But yeah, to be honest I would probably say that it was a "standard" tactic. I mean, look at the Sons of Horus. They were sharing their flagship with Imperial Army Regiments. It's not exactly uncommon enough to say that only one or two Legions started it. Granted, it's not exactly common either but the point still stands. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270502-alpha-legion-did-they-learn-their-style-from-the-ec/#findComment-3294954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimdarkness Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 The legions lead entire army groups of the imperial army they where part of the strength a legion had to hand. At least that,s how I read it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270502-alpha-legion-did-they-learn-their-style-from-the-ec/#findComment-3295023 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 It seems to be mixed from Expedition Fleet to Expedition Fleet. For example, we see a Word Bearers, and an SoH Expedition Fleets traveling with Imperial Army Regiments. What we see of the Emperor's Children, Blood Angels, World Eaters, Death Guard, Dark Angels and Space Wolves Legions is that they seem to either never have their Army counterparts mentioned, or they have none. What we see of the Alpha Legion is that the Imperial Expedition sent out a request for aid, and an Alpha Legion contingent is what answered. Other than a small handful of mortal operatives(specifically the only one popping to mind is Shere since he is the only one I can recall them not recruiting from the Imperials already there), it was all Astartes. No Imperial Army regiments. But they did still work alongside the Geno-Five-Two. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270502-alpha-legion-did-they-learn-their-style-from-the-ec/#findComment-3295041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaSY Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Aside from striving perfection, EC's tactics of perfect combined arm tactics may be in parallel with Alpha Legion's ethos of strike from everywhere and all directions.Plus as mentioned earlier somewhere in some threads, fluffy Alpha Legion is like fluffy Ultramarines. Even Alpha Legion, Ultramarines and Emperor's Children use human auxiliaries as long compatible with their doctrines.*For those that have Betrayal, can anyone clarify that Imperial Army deeply distrust Alpha Legion as allies according to charts? Cheers!* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270502-alpha-legion-did-they-learn-their-style-from-the-ec/#findComment-3295145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Imperial Army forces commanded by Marine Legions/Primarchs was completely standard procedure. Legions that DIDN'T do that would be the unusual ones. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270502-alpha-legion-did-they-learn-their-style-from-the-ec/#findComment-3295158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Except that we have more than a few examples of seeing Legion forces with no mentioned Army supplements. The EC forces, the AL, the WE, the DA, the SW, the NL, the TS, the IH and the DG. That's nine Legions off the top of my head that I haven't seen with a "permanent" Imperial Army supplement. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270502-alpha-legion-did-they-learn-their-style-from-the-ec/#findComment-3295162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksad Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 SW have their fleet crew as "regular humans", aswell as the Aettguard (PDF) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270502-alpha-legion-did-they-learn-their-style-from-the-ec/#findComment-3295250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Well everyone's fleet crew is regular humans. The Astartes were meant for ground warfare, not void. I doubt very many of them could stand sitting through a void battle. And are the Aettguard from Battle of the Fang? I ask because the three times I can think of seeing the Space Wolves deployed in an actual Heresy-era setting, they had no Imperial Army regiments for ground fighting with them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270502-alpha-legion-did-they-learn-their-style-from-the-ec/#findComment-3295411 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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