Incoming Heresy models

[Kol Saresk]

Whoever goes there, needs to take pictures of everything colored in Night Lords. And I guess World Eaters. Either way, get there with a camera!

[Brother-Chaplain Kage]

I desperately want to know how they achieved such perfect dust effects on the Alpha Legion Sicaran. Damn that's a slick model. 

 

I would guess a combination of air brushing and brushing on weathering pigments. Phil Stutcinskas isn't just a designer of models for FW and contributor to their Masterclass books, he's also a world renowned modeler who was won numerous awards all over Europe for his amazing work. I'd post some pics of his WWII German tanks here but they'd probably get yanked by a mod, but you should Google some of his stuff.

[Kais Klip]

That Sicaran looks awesome, especially in Alpha Legion blue. I'm starting to suspect they achieved that colour by draining the sky or something, just beautiful.

@kol

Its on fw site. just click on the tank picture, then scroll through the gallery on the right.

They also have an AL sicarius

I think its funny and just asthetic to add that heavy bolter on the front. It is clearly not needed

Actually I've been considering that scheme, I actually think its Thousand Sons. Logic would point to it being AL, but the scheme is more blue than the one on the terminators and MkIV, although maybe they have the hue off because its so bloody hard to paint

Edit: Klip, why the frackle would thousand sons be blue in 31m? Ignore my point, they just lack the green hue of the other AL models. I do hope they take it easy on those blended generated colours they love to use on eldar, they look nice but seem like a beast to paint even with an airbrush.

[Kol Saresk]

The Alpha Legion also didn't have much green back then either lol.

[Kais Klip]

We'll have to wait for the 3rd book to know for sure but Bligh's legionaries in AD-B's tale of five gamers run in my preffered blue and silver hue, but these new painted models on forgeworld have that blue/green beetle blend and the tank actually has a field of green around the sponson (no, not the salamanders tank). I'm hoping its the colours for another legion but who else could it be? 

 

Edit: Or we could just look at the Horus Heresy weekender banners. Damnit. 

[Kol Saresk]

lol, yeah, IIRC, the Alpha Legion's was blue and silver, but that one also had an omega symbol on one of the knees didn't it? Maybe if it is part of that schism we started to see in The Serpent Beneath, the green is maybe the "Alpharius faction" while the lack of green is the "Omegon faction". Or it could just be painter's preference, the same way some Night Lords throw in a bit of purple to make it darker, while some just go for a black-blue color and some go for a more noticeably blue.

[DuskRaider]

From what has been said on Warseer, the Death Guard unit is going to be Terminators armed to the teeth with chem and rad weapons. Fingers crossed this is true!

[Greyall]

Good to hear. About time Mortarion's boys lived up to their sludge-filled reputations

[GodEmperorOfMankind]

But the DG already have a TDA unit?

[DuskRaider]

Eh... kinda. I wouldn't necessarily consider Deathshroud the same as a Terminator variant. They're the elite of the elite in the Death Guard Legion, and they're supposedly few in number as well. What's being proposed is more a Specialist squad... or, quite honestly, the norm for Death Guard. Also remember, Death Guard have a vast amount of TDA in their Legion, it seems more than most other Legions (along with Dreadnoughts as well, according to Betrayal). 

[GodEmperorOfMankind]

Not that you're biased or anything ;)

[Kol Saresk]

But it is true. In a Legion that prides itself on literally walking into battle and takes the time to teach every single Astartes how to use every weapon in the arsenal, it would make sense that they would get their hands on as much Terminator armor as possible.

[DuskRaider]

Yeah, that was something pointed out in Betrayal a few times, and I believe even before the HH Series it was a fluff point that Death Guard had always had a large amount of TDA for tunnel fighting and boarding / space hulk operations. I think in the old fluff it was stated it was used against Squats or something? It's been a while.

[Kol Saresk]

Ooh, back far enough for squats to be a possibility. That is before my time I'm afraid so I can't comment.

[Spinsanity]

The only Legion I remember having been mentionned before as 'having more TDA suits than any other' would be the 1st...

 

Which has me wondering : If the DA have so many suits of TDA because they're the first Legion, it means their stocks of TDA predates the Heresy and dates as far back as the beginning of the Great Crusade. Are we to understand, then, that Indomitus pattern WAS already the standard TDA pattern back then?

[Conn Eremon]

I thought the Dark Angels only had the most TDA as a Chapter. I don't remember hearing anything about it as a Legion.

[depthcharge12]

I wish the world eaters would get some love...

 

Angron was wonderful to get first and looks great,

 

....but those rampagers are derptastic and useless against other marines

[GrandMagnus]

The only Legion I remember having been mentionned before as 'having more TDA suits than any other' would be the 1st...

 

Which has me wondering : If the DA have so many suits of TDA because they're the first Legion, it means their stocks of TDA predates the Heresy and dates as far back as the beginning of the Great Crusade. Are we to understand, then, that Indomitus pattern WAS already the standard TDA pattern back then?

As far as I know the earliest pattern of TDA used by the Adeptus Astartes legions were the Cataphractii pattern. The indomitus came later and the tartarus is supposed to be the pinnacle (much like the MK IV Maximus is the pinnacle of PA).

[blackoption]

 

The only Legion I remember having been mentionned before as 'having more TDA suits than any other' would be the 1st...

 

Which has me wondering : If the DA have so many suits of TDA because they're the first Legion, it means their stocks of TDA predates the Heresy and dates as far back as the beginning of the Great Crusade. Are we to understand, then, that Indomitus pattern WAS already the standard TDA pattern back then?

As far as I know the earliest pattern of TDA used by the Adeptus Astartes legions were the Cataphractii pattern. The indomitus came later and the tartarus is supposed to be the pinnacle (much like the MK IV Maximus is the pinnacle of PA).

 

Two other patterns of Terminator armor are also known to exist.  I believe their names are Saturine (named in the HH Betrayal book, which I think are the Grey Knight terminators) and most recently the Arkonak pattern (from IA 12).  Granted these are both Forge World names, but it shows that there was perhaps significant variations between terminator marks.  (5 patterns of Terminator armor at the time when there were only 4 patterns of Power armor at the close of the great crusade)

[Adra'Melek]

From Betrayal pg 237

"Several different Terminator armour patterns were developed concurrently by different Forge Worlds during the later decades of the Great Crusade, including the Indomitus, Tartaros and Saturnine patterns, most of which were functionally identical."

 

It goes on to say the Cataphractii was one of the first issues patterns of TDA. One of but not definitely THE first. It seems they all came out about the same time period.

[DuskRaider]

The only Legion I remember having been mentionned before as 'having more TDA suits than any other' would be the 1st...

 

Which has me wondering : If the DA have so many suits of TDA because they're the first Legion, it means their stocks of TDA predates the Heresy and dates as far back as the beginning of the Great Crusade. Are we to understand, then, that Indomitus pattern WAS already the standard TDA pattern back then?

Well I didn't say Death Guard had the most TDA available to a Legion, but it was suited their preference of warfare, which was heavy assault troops (Terminators and Dreadnoughts). I'm sure that honor goes to Sons of Horus, Word Bearers, or perhaps even Ultramarines due to the pure amount of Legionnaires they had. The First Legion only has more TDA than others post-Heresy, from what I know.

[Adra'Melek]

Betrayal (I'm on a betrayal quoting frenzy at the moment) says the Death Guard use "considerable" numbers of Terminators and Dreadnoughts to provide heavy support for the infantry.

[Onisuzume]

I thought the Dark Angels only had the most TDA as a Chapter. I don't remember hearing anything about it as a Legion.

If it was as a Legion my bet's on the ultrasmurfs, given the amount of successors they spawned and have to give some TDA to as parting gifts.

[DuskRaider]

Betrayal (I'm on a betrayal quoting frenzy at the moment) says the Death Guard use "considerable" numbers of Terminators and Dreadnoughts to provide heavy support for the infantry.

Considerable and vast would mean the same thing in my mind.

[Adra'Melek]

 

Betrayal (I'm on a betrayal quoting frenzy at the moment) says the Death Guard use "considerable" numbers of Terminators and Dreadnoughts to provide heavy support for the infantry.

Considerable and vast would mean the same thing in my mind.

I agree. They certainly used a lot of terminators. It's also also suggesting the Death Guard used terminators to provide heavy fire power so some sort of Heavy Support terminator squad with big guns would be cool.