Incoming Heresy models

[Greyall]

He should have an ability: "Warp Release". Hey, Ferrus did throw down a lot of Marines when he 'exploded'.

[Kol Saresk]

lol, Yeah, "once a turn, just after the Combat Phase, you have the option to use Warp Release. On a roll of D1+, kill everything in six inches that isn't a Primarch."

[Greyall]

Immovable dead Primarch: still beats a Pyrovore.

[DuskRaider]

How do they get 'screwed'? Did Guilliman become a Daemon Primarch? No? Then what do you want? Daemon Primarchs are completely different from their 'human' forms, so they warrant a new model. I'll tell you what, maybe FW will make a 'Dead Sanguinius' model for you too.

[Durfast Spiritwolf]

So how did an thread on FW HH releases become a whinging session on what this or that faction might get!

We are revelling in continuing releases of superb figures. In time every HH-era Legion will be catered for with a couple of specials each as well as character models and at least one of each Primarch.

There is nothing not to like going on here

[GodEmperorOfMankind]

So basically, the Loyalists get screwed on Primarch models while the Traitors get options.....

 

Good job too really as 10,000 years laters it's the other way around ;)

[Kol Saresk]

So basically, the Loyalists get screwed on Primarch models while the Traitors get options.....

Well, Durfast does have a point. In the case of Ferrus Manus, what would his next model be? Some Traitors like Curze only need the one model because they do not go through many changes. Sanguinius can easily have a Pre-Signus model with him standing strong and proud and then have a Post-Signus model where it shows some of the trauma he's been through. But then we come back to say, Dorn. He never leaves Terra and as far as I know, most of the uprisings on Terra and Mars were dealt with by his Marines without him having to make too many appearances. He only needs one model.I can't justify him having more than one model. Can you? And by Istvaan III, Horus is already wearing his iconic black armor so, they could just easily justify giving him the one model. But I imagine they will try to have his Pre-fullblown corruption and his Post-full blown corruption.

 

Then you get the Cult Four, Lorgar and Perturabo. They all ascend. They have themselves as "normal" Primarchs, but then there is also their appearance as Daemon Primarchs.

 

At the moment, only about four of the Primarchs have justification for a Pre- and Post- model. The Khan, Lion and Russ might get one of each as the Horus progresses. Might. But right now, the reasoning just isn't there.

[Marshal Rohr]

It's pointless to prioritize a model of a character that died at the very beginning of the HH and only fought in one battle.

[Kol Saresk]

Actually, that is kind of the point as to why he should be prioritized. He is only ever getting the one model. Might as well get him done and over with.

[Spinsanity]

 

So basically, the Loyalists get screwed on Primarch models while the Traitors get options.....

At the moment, only about four of the Primarchs have justification for a Pre- and Post- model. The Khan, Lion and Russ might get one of each as the Horus progresses. Might. But right now, the reasoning just isn't there.

I see 11 that might not need more than a single model; the 7 others would really need them (either because they change a whole lot over the course of the Heresy, or need 2 to begin with, in the case of Alpharius Omegon).

Of those 11, the 9 loyalist Primarchs are there. Yes, they could get a second model, but  do they need one? No, whereas the other 7 do. Will they get a second model? Possibly, who knows... Of the two renegades, Curze shouldn't get one, whereas Horus most likely will, I just don't see him changing all that much between Istvaan and Terra.

 

I - Lion : I doubt it; by the time there could have been one (after Caliban), he's asleep in the bowels of Alcatraz...

V - Khan : possible, but why?

VI - Russ : Again, possible (pre/post Prospero?)

VII - Dorn : IMO, unnecessary / doubtful

VIII - Curze : IMO, unnecessary / doubtful

IX - Sanguinius : Possible, but unless we see much change to him in upcoming novels, I don't see why

X - Manus : He definitely doesn't need a second one

XIII - Guilliman : Can't see why yet, I guess we'll see, but doubtful

XVI - Horus : Depends what the first model looks like; very lkely, but not necessary

XVIII - Vulkan : I haven't read Vulkan Lives, does he? (rumors say he doesn't...)

XIX - Corax : Once again, probably unnecessary

[Greyall]

I agree with that list, barring Russ, of whom we know no change at all taking place after Prospero, and Horus, who does change a lot. He just doesn't turn into a monster but, like Abaddon, he grows tremendously in power and get his armour all Chaosed up.

[marine7312000]

I really opened a can of worms that I didn't intend to. I was mostly joking with that comment. I really wish that I could afford to purchase multiple Primarchs but I can't, so I'm waiting until Sanguinus is released. I may end up getting some of the others but that particular model is the main one I want. I'm sure every player wants the Primarch for their army. Angron is a great model but I don't see myself buying it. Fulgrim's model is great, again not one I plan to buy any time soon. I'll wait and see what the rest look like when they get released.

[Greyall]

All settled, then. =)

 

Sanguinius should one of the most awesome models. I'm also very curious to see Ferrus, since he's in a duel scene, Vulkan and the Khan. Magnus should make for a visual blast, as well, him being a giant and all.

[Entei]

Alpharius and Omegon: 2 standard legionnaires. 50£ lol

[spu00sed]

Alpharius and Omegon: 2 standard legionnaires. 50£ lol

Why sell them together?

 

Two £50 kits, one for each, both looking like normal legionnaires.

[marine7312000]

^This man has a point. And I'm pretty sure someone will now make these models and post them on here.

[Kol Saresk]

EDIT:Apologies, misread and misunderstood.

[Kol Saresk]

Well, in the case of Sanguinius, I think you underestimating the effect Signus Prime would have had on him. Similar thing with Corax. Actually, Corax might even be a better example. Before the Heresy he used a Jump Pack with wings and twin Lightning Claws. After Istvaan V, his armor becomes unkempt, the wings are broken and he now carries a whip with one of his lightning claws. In terms of physical appearance, that is more of a change than what most of the loyal Primarchs do. I'm not saying every aprimarch should get more than one model. Currently, I only see four models that have gone through enough mental and emotional changes that they could be considered different people. Maybe not a drastic difference, but enough to change their demeanor and physical aspect. Before Singus, Sanguinius would be proud and noble, now he might be sorrowful and broken in aspect. That's all.

[marine7312000]

I can agree with your thinking, Kol_Saresk. I expect them to release two models for the Cult Four and maybe one or two others. Does anyone else expect that FW will release an actual duel set with Horus and the Emperor? I can easily see that set never being in stock.

[Excessus]

Perturabo did only ascend after the heresy, so he would only have one model in a HH setting. Don't know when Lorgar ascended though...

[Conn Eremon]

Not sure if Perturabo should have a Daemon model, as he doesn't ascend until the Scouring, at the Iron Cage Incident. I'm also not sure Sanguinius needs an extra model. Yes, Signus was a major, traumatic experience, but visually he had not changed. I think, of all the Primarchs, the only one who should get different emotional states is Dorn. That includes Corax or Vulkan. Traumatic, yes, but visually changing. Dorn, though. Seeing the granite crack would be good.

 

That said, I think it would be easy and fair to do multiple models of ALL the Primarchs. Look at Fulgrim's first two poses. No reason that can't be applied to the Loyalists. And it can add more diversity and color to the forces.

[Kol Saresk]

I'm just saying that it can easily be used for an excuse. Even though Forgeowrld seems degrees better than GW when it comes to giving everyone what they want, we still have to remember that they are a business. They need profits in order to survive just as much as we need oxygen and plants need CO2. There are just enough collectors out there who will buy two Sanguinius models, even if one is just for posterity. There are collectors out there who will buy all six hundred and sixty five versions of Horus, just have them. We're thinking terms of necessity and necessity wise, most of the Primarchs will only ever need one. But necessity wise, Forgeworld never had to release a dDestroyer squad with Jump Packs. They never had to release a Siege Breacher Squad. They never had to release the Legion sze sets and they don't have to create tanks out of thin air like the Sicaran and the Glaive. Forgeworld is pulling at every single little thread to both give us exactly what we want and to keep themselves alive as a business. And, it is something we need to keep in mind. If we think terms of what they only have to produce, the Heresy release could be very drab indeed. But they want to release more and to be honest, speaking as one of many individuals who can't properly afford their resin crack, I want them to release more than what they have to release.

[Onisuzume]

I'm also not sure Sanguinius needs an extra model.

Of course we need an extra sanguinius model, how else are we going to decorate the duelscene diorama between horus and the emperor?

[marine7312000]

I actually don't see it being another model for Sanguinus. I see it being part of the display base itself. Back on topic, that Sicaran looks wicked.

[Marshal Rohr]

I just thought of an awesome diorama of Dorn cradling the Emperor and Sanguinius while Horus lies dead and a bunch of loyalist and traitor space marines are standing around like someone shot their dog.