Greyall Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Oh, I wasn't implying you'd said so, Kol, just mentioning. Part of the beauty of the Heresy series is that you see more "sides" (as in, units) of a Legion. I'm not even talking about the ones that are granted new models, just seeing those NL tanks cranks up the awesomes in the geek-gland. It's just that Legions/Chapters/Warbands are so well-know for one particular talent that you rarely get shown how they function as a whole army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270656-incoming-heresy-models/page/38/#findComment-3443901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Oh. Hehehe:sweat: Agreed. The Legions weren't specialized. They just had very famous signatures and these signatures affected how the entirety functioned, but even the Death Guard and World Eaters carried armored regiments. I just can't wait do see what the Night Lords' armor is like. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270656-incoming-heresy-models/page/38/#findComment-3443905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Your idea about the Terror Squad being composed of red-handed psychos is great, by the way, and makes perfect sense. Also because you save a lot on new red-paint cans (or slaves) by sticking the crazies together and firing them into the enemy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270656-incoming-heresy-models/page/38/#findComment-3443942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Yeah, if Forgeowrld doesn't do it, I'll have to copyright it and sell it to them........ I think 30,000 points in Heresy models and three Warhounds and a Reaver should suffice..... or a position as the first US-based writer until I can move over there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270656-incoming-heresy-models/page/38/#findComment-3443949 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheForgottenAngel Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Kol Saresk if I am ever in Florida I'll bring my Pre-Heresy Dark Angels to throw down! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270656-incoming-heresy-models/page/38/#findComment-3444163 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adra'Melek Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 The Legion lists are also supposed to be suitable for for pre-heresy when the Legions were even more unified in approach. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270656-incoming-heresy-models/page/38/#findComment-3444214 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verythrax Draconis Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Isn't the sword in a cog icon a Ferrus symbol, and the smaller one a reference to the Morlocks?That looks like a IH cog to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270656-incoming-heresy-models/page/38/#findComment-3444329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Do the Iron Hands have a cog symbol? I thought their symbol was a straight up fist. Although there is a picture from the trailer with a cog symbol, but it has no sword in it. http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc69/bleachit54/ih3_zps51813b98.png Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270656-incoming-heresy-models/page/38/#findComment-3444337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verythrax Draconis Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Do the Iron Hands have a cog symbol? I thought their symbol was a straight up fist. Although there is a picture from the trailer with a cog symbol, but it has no sword in it. http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc69/bleachit54/ih3_zps51813b98.png Iron Hands iconography is full of cogs, specially "empty" cogs like that one. the clan companies' icons are all cogs so far (not all were shown so far, hope the HH books do the trick). See the sculpted shoulder pads from GW, the transfers from FW and lots of cog-like trims on armor in several artwork, including the terminator in the video. http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product/DefaultFW/xlarge/iron-hands-trans.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270656-incoming-heresy-models/page/38/#findComment-3444343 Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Foes Remain Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Could be a Clan logo. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270656-incoming-heresy-models/page/38/#findComment-3444347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Fair enough. But then, so does the Mechanicum. So it could be a Titan legio. But IIRC, the Morlocks(and apparently Clan Avernii) were the only Iron Hands at Istvaan V. And we have two Iron Hand symbols, one which, according to the map, is about to be swallowed by the Traitors while going after the Emepror's Children. IF memory serves, the Morlocks were right behind Ferrus Manus in his wild charge. So if there is an Iron Hands symbol where we know there should be Morlocks, then would it not be reasonable to conclude that the cog-firesword symbol belongs to a different force, at least until we know otherwise? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270656-incoming-heresy-models/page/38/#findComment-3444350 Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Foes Remain Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Could be their armoured units? Not fully part of the Avernii clan and were all that Manus could gather before running off? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270656-incoming-heresy-models/page/38/#findComment-3444351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Maybe. It just seems weird that out of the three Legions who knew of the betrayal before hand, the Iron Hands would have the weakest presence there. Ironically that meant they would have more numbers left over. Maybe its a Skitarii force? After all, aren't the Castellax making an appearance as well? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270656-incoming-heresy-models/page/38/#findComment-3444355 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verythrax Draconis Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Fair enough. But then, so does the Mechanicum. So it could be a Titan legio. But IIRC, the Morlocks(and apparently Clan Avernii) were the only Iron Hands at Istvaan V. And we have two Iron Hand symbols, one which, according to the map, is about to be swallowed by the Traitors while going after the Emepror's Children. IF memory serves, the Morlocks were right behind Ferrus Manus in his wild charge. So if there is an Iron Hands symbol where we know there should be Morlocks, then would it not be reasonable to conclude that the cog-firesword symbol belongs to a different force, at least until we know otherwise? Yeah, but one of the main points in that battle is that Ferrus die on that battle, maybe they pointed his position at the beginning of the assault as well. And if only the Morlocks are there, all the artwork doesn't make sense, Morlocks a terminator-only force, so no tanks and whatnot from IH would be there. And that's not really true: what we know is that ALL Morlocks were there, and got wiped out. Uriel, I don't think it's a clan logo, since I see no reason to show them apart from the rest of the IH force, since all IH forces are clans The IH presence seems massive, with 2 whole BIG icons there compared to the other icons displayed. Another thing is that IH have the stronger ties with the Mechanicum, so maybe the AdMech units that fight attached to the IHs are considered something different, justifying such mixed logo. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270656-incoming-heresy-models/page/38/#findComment-3444356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adra'Melek Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 I think the cog is mechanicus. Probably Titan legion. I think the winged up arrow is the loyalist recovery position. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270656-incoming-heresy-models/page/38/#findComment-3444366 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Yeah, but the Mechanicum has always been big on cog logos so it wouldn't really be a mixed logo. The Mechanicum symbol is a skull-cog after all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270656-incoming-heresy-models/page/38/#findComment-3444376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Just found something. Fulgrim, page 456 Ten companies of Morlocks were berthed throughout the Ferrum, the deadliest and most experienced warriors of the Legion, and Balhaan knew that whatever force was arrayed against the Terminators, it could not survive their wrath. The Iron Hands would undertake the initial assaults with the veterans of their Legion, and Balhaan felt that it was appropriate that the Legion's best warriors should be first into battle. Led by Gabriel Santar, the Morlocks hungered to confront the Emperor's Children and make them pay for the dishonourable murders done to their number in the Anvilarium of the Fist of Iron. The rest of the 52nd Expedition was following behind the Ferrum, but when they might arrive in-system was unknown, and every second their assault was delayed gave the traitors more time to fortify their positions. So since after this, the other four Traitor Legions and the rest of the 52nd Expedition were to land as soon as they arrived(after the assault was launched), it would mean that their were more than ten thousand Iron Hands there, just that the Morlocks were the vanguard, which would explain the two IH symbols. And why in The First Heretic, Curze would remark that the Iron Hands, Raven Guard and Salamanders had numerical superiority(before their arrival). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270656-incoming-heresy-models/page/38/#findComment-3444392 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinsanity Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Once again, I'm pretty sure the winged sword Flaming-sword and Cog is a Titan Legio's icon : http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab143/Player_not_found/WingedSword_zpsbb05ac0c.png Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270656-incoming-heresy-models/page/38/#findComment-3444459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Hey PNF, I think something funky went on with your code, lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270656-incoming-heresy-models/page/38/#findComment-3444464 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinsanity Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Yeah, guess I'd have spotted it before posting if I used the default 'visual' editor Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270656-incoming-heresy-models/page/38/#findComment-3444467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 I can't spot a winged spear, but I think I do see a cog with what looks like a down-turned sword. Either way, amazing spot and thanks for sharing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270656-incoming-heresy-models/page/38/#findComment-3444471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinsanity Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Duh, I meant flaming sword, quite a mind-fart I had there... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270656-incoming-heresy-models/page/38/#findComment-3444482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Well looks like more loyalists to burn! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270656-incoming-heresy-models/page/38/#findComment-3444486 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 According to the latest update on GW UK about games day, at the forgeworld/heresy stand will be the dude who has "been working hard on a superbly detailed set of heresy-era Night Lords" Kol's Terror Squad is getting close to reality..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270656-incoming-heresy-models/page/38/#findComment-3444858 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 According to the latest update on GW UK about games day, at the forgeworld/heresy stand will be the dude who has "been working hard on a superbly detailed set of heresy-era Night Lords" Kol's Terror Squad is getting close to reality..... I feel like a giddy school girl who's about to meet Freddy Krueger! Wait, I think I said that wrong....... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270656-incoming-heresy-models/page/38/#findComment-3445114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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