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Kol Saresk Venerable Brother

Kol Saresk

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I'm aware of that Kol. The point is that Sevatar is an exception to his Legion in terms of both skill and personality. That is all.

Just pointing that because Sevatar is a unique CC Monster, it doesn't mean other Night Lords just run around with combat blades.

Wade Garrett Veteran

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Talos wasn't half bad with a blade himself. And I wouldn't call any Space Marine a coward.

The VIII may have more of an eye on self preservation than their brothers, but they were made to conquer a galaxy.

 

Ophion, Vraal, Malek, and even Vandred are fairly conclusive evidence against the Night Lords favorite tactic being the French advance.

Kol Saresk Venerable Brother

Kol Saresk

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Talos wasn't half bad with a blade himself. And I wouldn't call any Space Marine a coward.

The VIII may have more of an eye on self preservation than their brothers, but they were made to conquer a galaxy.

 

Ophion, Vraal, Malek, and even Vandred are fairly conclusive evidence against the Night Lords favorite tactic being the French advance.

Not to mention that the first thing the majority of the Kyroptera wanted to do in Prince of Crows was charge back into the fight.
Noctus Cornix Venerable Brother

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Talos wasn't half bad with a blade himself. And I wouldn't call any Space Marine a coward.

The VIII may have more of an eye on self preservation than their brothers, but they were made to conquer a galaxy.

 

Ophion, Vraal, Malek, and even Vandred are fairly conclusive evidence against the Night Lords favorite tactic being the French advance.

 

That's fine. I will. I'll call Night Lords cowards any day of the week and be content with my decision. Hell, that's why I chose Night Lords as my first Chaos army in the first place. You can conquer the galaxy and still be a coward. 'Cowardice' is a relative term when it comes to warfare. You can nuke an enemy base and some will call you a tactical genius, others will call you a coward. Night Lords don't fight fair, they don't fight battles they can't win, and they sure as hell don't give their enemies an even ground. So what if Xarl and Malcharion were better fighters than their brothers? They're still no Sevatar. Any Space Marine can fight in close combat, and any Space Marine can also just as easily ram his power sword through another's back in an ambush.

 

'charge' back in into the fight is more along the lines of "Let's go back in and start ambushing Dark Angel stragglers and cutting off their supplies, while we avoid their main fleet."

Kol Saresk Venerable Brother

Kol Saresk

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Talos wasn't half bad with a blade himself. And I wouldn't call any Space Marine a coward.

The VIII may have more of an eye on self preservation than their brothers, but they were made to conquer a galaxy.

 

Ophion, Vraal, Malek, and even Vandred are fairly conclusive evidence against the Night Lords favorite tactic being the French advance.

 

'charge' back in into the fight is more along the lines of "Let's go back in and start ambushing Dark Angel stragglers and cutting off their supplies, while we avoid their main fleet."

 

 

Talking of seeing a battle through to the end, doesn't exactly sound like "avoid the main fleet". It actually sounds more like when a pack of wolves attacks a moose. The problem is, as Sevatar pointed out, that moose can move faster than the wolves. And strangely enough, they're still willing to fight on knowing that.

 

I'm not arguing that the Night Lords don't run away. Not arguing that the moment they think death is at the door, the average Night Lord will choose to fight another day. But if you make them feel like they're in a corner, they will bite back.

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The Emperor's Children bit in Betrayal states that in the later parts of the war, they had accumulated their numbers back pretty quickly by extensive recruiting, confirming that the traitor Legions continued recruitment drives after Isstvan.

 

What do we call these bits, anyways? They're basically updated Index Astartes, but specific to their Great Crusade/Heresy periods. Index Legio? Doesn't exactly roll off the tongue, but it frustrates me that they don't have a label.

Wade Garrett Veteran

Wade Garrett

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I don't think any Legion has ever fought fair and given an enemy even ground intentionally

 

Robby G, Mr. Courage and Honor himself, said the ideal form of attack is to kill the enemy with your first shot, to utterly annihilate him before he can even begin to retaliate.

(It's in the Notes Towards Martial Codification sections of Know No Fear).

 

For that matter, we see Ultras in Betrayer happily making use of booby traps and ambushes to hammer the Word Bearers and World Eaters.

Kol Saresk Venerable Brother

Kol Saresk

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The Emperor's Children bit in Betrayal states that in the later parts of the war, they had accumulated their numbers back pretty quickly by extensive recruiting, confirming that the traitor Legions continued recruitment drives after Isstvan.

 

What do we call these bits, anyways? They're basically updated Index Astartes, but specific to their Great Crusade/Heresy periods. Index Legio? Doesn't exactly roll off the tongue, but it frustrates me that they don't have a label.

To be honest, I see no problem with calling them Index Astartes Addendum. Hope no one who tries to say that has a stutter.
Wade Garrett Veteran

Wade Garrett

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Wasn't talking to you Kol, your point was fine. I was talking to Wade who apparently changed his post after me.

I edited it a few times before I thought it coherently conveyed what I was trying to say, and in the final version removed the "You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it does" as unnecessarily abrasive before I saw your post. C'est la vie and all that.

 

I maintain that none of the Legions had anything like the modern day "D & D Paladin" code of honor, though. Not even the Bromanders.

depthcharge12 Venerable Brother

depthcharge12

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I do feel like the whole chainglaive thing is cheapened by other NLs using it, but I think it adds flavor and a unique weapon to the legion like the scythes did for the DG (which only the most noted heroes had)

 

 

And while I feel its somewhat cheapened, you have to ask yourself: "Why wouldn't anyone else use a glaive just because Sevatar does?"

 

Hell, Sanguinary Gaurd squads all have glaives too.

 

 

If you want to yell about weapons getting whored out, then please let me refer you to the humble World Eater chainaxe. You know...the one only they as a Legion could get? Well know look who has chainaxes...SoH reavers and Ashen circle. Grrr :P

marine7312000 Venerable Brother

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Any idea on when we could expect the Iron Hands squad to go on preorder? Im holding back on ordering the book till they come... But resisting the temptation is hard.

I'm holding off on an order til after the holidays. I figure FW will release some awesome stuff between now and then.

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Russ Brother 92 Venerable Brother

Russ Brother 92

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Iron Hands squad will be pre-order soon - roughly next month or so, the Immortals will be up after xmas unfortunately - I bought a set of the IH squad today (London Comic-Con) and they're gorgeous models :d also for you IF buffs, a new SM:Battles book will be coming out after xmas called Malodrax (I picked that up as well) very good book so far (bout a 3rd way in) and has a lot of more detailed fluff on Lysander, especially his original escape from Malodrax and the subsequent return journey + crushing the Fortress World :)

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