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Anvilarium Veteran

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I feel for you Urza. You and all the Iron Hands' players. Have you folks gotten a look at the Clan Raukaan supplement yet?

I swear, it's like GW has firmly decided to push any and all fluff hobbyists as far away as possible by jumping up and down on the corpse of any and all beloved "niche" factions.

Wait... or maybe it's the greatest business plan ever? Are GW secretly the greatest stealth trolls of all time?

Let me put it this way - quite a few of us longer-term IH fans pretty much just ragequit and abandoned 40k Iron Hands for their 30k counterparts, where all that godawful retcon hasn't happened yet

Sorry for the ignorance, but what's the tl;dr version of what's happened?

- The Iron Hands 41st Millennium Chapter is now led by a Chapter Master, rather than by a Council of Iron Fathers.

- The Clan Company structure has been lost in all but name. The Iron Hands 41st Millennium Chapter is now entirely Codex-compliant, with Veteran Company, Reserve Companies and a Scout Company...

- No more Terminator Sergeants for Power Armour Squads.

- All of a sudden, the Iron Hands have CHAPLAINS....

- Iron Fathers only exist as a title, there is no longer a special character to represent them.

- They have re-written the events of the Wrath of Iron Space Marine Battles Novel so that the Slaaneshii Daemon Prince was defeated by Clan Raukaan's Chaplain, rather than by their Chief Librarian as originally written.

Basically, GW just took a great big steaming dump over everything that makes the Iron Hands Chapter unique.. verymad.gif

Thank the Omnissiah for Forgeworld and the Horus Heresy series!!

Onisuzume Battle-Brother

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- The Iron Hands 41st Millennium Chapter is now led by a Chapter Master, rather than by a Council of Iron Fathers.

- The Clan Company structure has been lost in all but name. The Iron

Hands 41st Millennium Chapter is now entirely Codex-compliant, with

Veteran Company, Reserve Companies and a Scout Company...

- No more Terminator Sergeants for Power Armour Squads.

- All of a sudden, the Iron Hands have CHAPLAINS....

- Iron Fathers only exist as a title, there is no longer a special character to represent them.

- They have re-written the events of the Wrath of Iron Space

Marine Battles Novel so that the Slaaneshii Daemon Prince was defeated

by Clan Raukaan's Chaplain, rather than by their Chief Librarian as

originally written.

Basically, GW just took a great big steaming dump over everything that makes the Iron Hands Chapter unique.. verymad.gif

Thank the Omnissiah for Forgeworld and the Horus Heresy series!!

Wow... that's quite a bit of:

http://roryinchina.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/rapeseed-flower.jpg

Welcome to the beginning of the (new?) future.

Anvilarium Veteran

Anvilarium

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What really bugs me is that GW Digital couldn't even be bothered to read Massacre to make sure that their Raukaan Supplement tied in with the Iron Hands info contained in that. It's just sloppy, and completely disrespectful to Alan Bligh and other writers who over the years have tried their best to make the Iron Hands a unique force with plenty of flavour.. Although having said that, I'm hardly surprised considering what they did to my beloved Relictors... sad.png

Flint13 Venerable Brother

Flint13

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Not to make a bad situation marginally worse, but the "entry requirements" for the 10th include your left hand to be burnt off and augmetically replaced, correct? 

 

I've found at least three pieces of artwork included in Clan Raukaan that would seem to indicate otherwise. 

 

Was the hand replacement thing a post-heresy tradition?

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Just do what I've been doing for shoddy regions since 3ed and ignore them. In my 40k Iron Hands are still unique, insular and grimdark, Black Templars shoot witches on sight and the only way a Blood Angel would work with a Necron is to help it end its existence.
Kol Saresk Venerable Brother

Kol Saresk

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Not to make a bad situation marginally worse, but the "entry requirements" for the 10th include your left hand to be burnt off and augmetically replaced, correct?

 

I've found at least three pieces of artwork included in Clan Raukaan that would seem to indicate otherwise.

 

Was the hand replacement thing a post-heresy tradition?

By 40K, the tradition was in remembrance of Ferrus Manus. In 30K, it was in honor of him. But yes, all Iron Hands will have one arm, the same arm on all, cybernetically grafted, and then whatever cybernetics they pick up along the way.

 

From what I've heard, that is no longer in accordance with Clan Ruukan.

Wade Garrett Veteran

Wade Garrett

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Yes...YES!

 

The Codex Astartes has claimed the Black Templars, and the Iron Hands! We will move on to the next Chapter, and the one after that! Blood Angels, Space Wolves, Grey Knights, THE VERY TRAITOR LEGIONS THEMSELVES!

 

ALL SHALL BE ULTRAMARINES, AND DESPAIR!

Kol Saresk Venerable Brother

Kol Saresk

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Yes...YES!

 

The Codex Astartes has claimed the Black Templars, and the Iron Hands! We will move on to the next Chapter, and the one after that! Blood Angels, Space Wolves, Grey Knights, THE VERY TRAITOR LEGIONS THEMSELVES!

 

ALL SHALL BE ULTRAMARINESJEFFMARINES, AND DESPAIR!

;)

depthcharge12 Venerable Brother

depthcharge12

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Yes...YES!

 

The Codex Astartes has claimed the Black Templars, and the Iron Hands! We will move on to the next Chapter, and the one after that! Blood Angels, Space Wolves, Grey Knights, THE VERY TRAITOR LEGIONS THEMSELVES!

 

ALL SHALL BE ULTRAMARINES, AND DESPAIR!

 

 

Youre a bad bad man.

 

Im telling my Mommy Spiritual Liege.

Flint13 Venerable Brother

Flint13

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I feel a bit behind. Who is Jeff?

 

 

Not to make a bad situation marginally worse, but the "entry requirements" for the 10th include your left hand to be burnt off and augmetically replaced, correct?

I've found at least three pieces of artwork included in Clan Raukaan that would seem to indicate otherwise.

Was the hand replacement thing a post-heresy tradition?

By 40K, the tradition was in remembrance of Ferrus Manus. In 30K, it was in honor of him. But yes, all Iron Hands will have one arm, the same arm on all, cybernetically grafted, and then whatever cybernetics they pick up along the way.

From what I've heard, that is no longer in accordance with Clan Ruukan.

Thanks Kol! That makes sense. 

 

I think that is what bothered me the most about Clan Raukaan. It seems like they almost demonize Ferrus Mannus. The entire chapter has "learned" from his headlong, suicidal and (attempted) fratricidal charge on Istvaan, and hate him for the weakness he displayed there.

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Conn Eremon

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I seem to remember someone mentioning that this might be due to the recent legal actions GW has been doing/come under fire for. By creating more uniformity, they make their properties more easily defended in court. Basically, they are adjusting their properties to have more clearly defined . . . uhm . . . definitions (I hate you, brain). If so, I can understand the move from a legal viewpoint.

 

From the viewpoint of a fan, this suuuucks. It's things like this that make me so happy I'm an avid DIY supporter. I care about my Iron Hunters more than I do the Iron Hands, and the Iron Hunters will never be anything but what I want them to be. Which is an easier stance to make with DIYs than canon Chapters, as with the latter you're forced to stick your fingers in your ears and sing like a child.

 

 

 

 

I feel a bit behind. Who is Jeff?

 

https://0-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/sp/thumb/1350/79/1350791214032s.jpg

depthcharge12 Venerable Brother

depthcharge12

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Pfft everyone knows Jeff

 

What have I created? :D

 

 

Soon Jeff will come to me and demand a bride from his maker who loves him not and-

 

 

hold up a second, british literature might seem a little high brow for the interwebz....in that case...PEW! PEW PEW!!!

Wade Garrett Veteran

Wade Garrett

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Pfft everyone knows Jeff

What have I created? :D

 

 

Soon Jeff will come to me and demand a bride from his maker who loves him not...

C'mon, bro. It's not like this ends with you chasing Jeff out onto the Artic ice in some insane cycle of vengeance or something.

depthcharge12 Venerable Brother

depthcharge12

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Pfft everyone knows Jeff

What have I created? biggrin.png

Soon Jeff will come to me and demand a bride from his maker who loves him not...

C'mon, bro. It's not like this ends with you chasing Jeff out onto the Artic ice in some insane cycle of vengeance or something.

Actually Ive located him on Fenris where he's riding a sled pulled by large wolves

British literature. High brow. Pfft.

Hey, he's your monster, Depthcharge.

I could've tried to make it related to Healthcliff and Cathy, but then everyone would've come out of the moors to murder me :P

Wade Garrett Veteran

Wade Garrett

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Also, whoever said GW needs to make all its characters the same in order to make court cases easier....either U.K. intellectual property law is very different from the U.S.'s or this is a person you should not take legal advice from.

 

You don't see D.C. suddenly retconing the Kents to death or Disney making Donald and Goofy mice because because how similar characters in a setting are to one another has no bearing on the amount of legal protection they get (in America, anyway).

Flint13 Venerable Brother

Flint13

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I seem to remember someone mentioning that this might be due to the recent legal actions GW has been doing/come under fire for. By creating more uniformity, they make their properties more easily defended in court. Basically, they are adjusting their properties to have more clearly defined . . . uhm . . . definitions (I hate you, brain). If so, I can understand the move from a legal viewpoint.

 

From the viewpoint of a fan, this suuuucks. It's things like this that make me so happy I'm an avid DIY supporter. I care about my Iron Hunters more than I do the Iron Hands, and the Iron Hunters will never be anything but what I want them to be. Which is an easier stance to make with DIYs than canon Chapters, as with the latter you're forced to stick your fingers in your ears and sing like a child.

 

 

 

 

 

I feel a bit behind. Who is Jeff?

 

https://0-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/sp/thumb/1350/79/1350791214032s.jpg

 

 

Whoops...

 

Sry, didn't know I missed an important internet-ism.

 

Not a guy thou... so your David Schwims meme is only half right!

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