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And I'm a little surprised Urza. As someone with such close relationships to some of the Forgeworld team, I figured you of all people would want to protect their interests, not exploit them just because you could.

I never said I was for exploiting FW - in fact I deeply resent that comment Kol, it's pretty insulting. ermm.gif

All I said was that FW could have done a lot more to make the other two pieces of the jigsaw secure so that they literally could not be accessed by nosy fans until FW wished them to be accessible. I work in high-end IT infrastructure and it's hardly brain surgery to prevent people from publicly accessing data that you wish to keep private...

And what makes you think I have a close relationship with the FW Team?? I'm about as close with them as anyone who was at the Horus Heresy Weekender in May (ie not really close at all).

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Regardless, FW hardly went out of their way to make it difficult for people to find the other jigsaw pieces. They could have prevented the photos from leaking easily if they had of wanted, by, y'know, NOT PUBLISHING THEM ON A LIVE WEBSERVER until the date that they actually wanted people to see them...

It's hardly rocket science... rolleyes.gif

While I don't think that the whole cut and paste thing was all that bad, this logic is just terrible. That's like saying it is acceptable to shoplift so long as the store doesn't go out of its way to prevent it.

Hardly, it's like saying that if you put all your wares on display outside the front of the shop and then turn a blind eye for the day, you shouldn't be surprised when some greedy individual has loaded all your wares into a van and driven off with them.

It's not condoning the actions of the 'criminal', it's saying that FW should take some responsibility for their own internet security. I really can't believe that no-one at FW thought that the images wouldn't all be uncovered by enquiring minds if they were all uploaded to a public-facing webserver at the same time, with a different number at the end of the filenames.

Still, no-one has managed to hack FW's servers and get hold of a copy of Extermination yet, so they must have some idea of how Internet Security/Firewalls/DMZ works..

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Still, no-one has managed to hack FW's servers and get hold of a copy of Extermination yet, so they must have some idea of how Internet Security/Firewalls/DMZ works..

Their set-up is like the Galactica, and the Servitor-scribe's computer is not connected to anyone else's. Alan Bligh sits in his Command Throne in a sound-proofed room dictating while the Servitor taps away at the keyboard until it dies of exhaustion from listening to all of the awesome! They've gone through seventeen servitors so far in the Heresy series, and have requisitioned another box of 50 to see them through to the end!
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Regardless, FW hardly went out of their way to make it difficult for people to find the other jigsaw pieces. They could have prevented the photos from leaking easily if they had of wanted, by, y'know, NOT PUBLISHING THEM ON A LIVE WEBSERVER until the date that they actually wanted people to see them...

It's hardly rocket science... rolleyes.gif

While I don't think that the whole cut and paste thing was all that bad, this logic is just terrible. That's like saying it is acceptable to shoplift so long as the store doesn't go out of its way to prevent it.

Hardly, it's like saying that if you put all your wares on display outside the front of the shop and then turn a blind eye for the day, you shouldn't be surprised when some greedy individual has loaded all your wares into a van and driven off with them.

Nah, it's more like someone trying their key to open your front door, pulling the presents out from under the Christmas Tree, unwrapping them all, and then leaving them on the table for the kiddies to see when they come home from school.

They were going to get the presents anyway, but you've taken away the suspense of their seeing them under the tree for a few days, wondering what they are, and the excitement of finally unwrapping them ;)

Kol Saresk Venerable Brother

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And I'm a little surprised Urza. As someone with such close relationships to some of the Forgeworld team, I figured you of all people would want to protect their interests, not exploit them just because you could.

I never said I was for exploiting FW - in fact I deeply resent that comment Kol, it's pretty insulting. ermm.gif

All I said was that FW could have done a lot more to make the other two pieces of the jigsaw secure so that they literally could not be accessed by nosy fans until FW wished them to be accessible. I work in high-end IT infrastructure and it's hardly brain surgery to prevent people from publicly accessing data that you wish to keep private...

And what makes you think I have a close relationship with the FW Team?? I'm about as close with them as anyone who was at the Horus Heresy Weekender in May (ie not really close at all).

I must apologize and honestly I'm not sure i can apologize enough. I misread your comment as sarcasm, which grants an entirely different light than the one you intended. Sadly, that is one of the great fallacies of the internet. And honestly, it just seems like you're always on the up and up with what's going on with the Forgeworld employees to one extent or another and you are a genuine supporter of Forgeworld as well. That and I think I heard someone say you talk to them quite a bit outside the events. That's why I was expressing such surprise. So again, I do apologize. For whatever little that might do.
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Thanks Kol - your apology is genuinely appeciated!


Hardly, it's like saying that if you put all your wares on display outside the front of the shop and then turn a blind eye for the day, you shouldn't be surprised when some greedy individual has loaded all your wares into a van and driven off with them.

Nah, it's more like someone trying their key to open your front door, pulling the presents out from under the Christmas Tree, unwrapping them all, and then leaving them on the table for the kiddies to see when they come home from school.

They were going to get the presents anyway, but you've taken away the suspense of their seeing them under the tree for a few days, wondering what they are, and the excitement of finally unwrapping them msn-wink.gif

Again, my point stands - if you had a better lock in the first place (or perhaps several locks/doors or not even have a door there at all until you require one) the entire situation could have been avoided.

There are people on the internet who are untrustworthy - this is a simple fact of life. Therefore you should always assume that people are going to do untrustworthy things and protect yourself accordingly. If you don't, you only have yourself to blame. The same applies to FW.

You wouldn't publicly host all your Bank details, (including PIN numbers) in a simple .txt file on a public webserver and then assume that no-one would be nasty enough to steal them, would you?

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Hardly, it's like saying that if you put all your wares on display outside the front of the shop and then turn a blind eye for the day, you shouldn't be surprised when some greedy individual has loaded all your wares into a van and driven off with them.

 

It's not condoning the actions of the 'criminal', it's saying that FW should take some responsibility for their own internet security. I really can't believe that no-one at FW thought that the images wouldn't all be uncovered by enquiring minds if they were all uploaded to a public-facing webserver at the same time, with a different number at the end of the filenames.

 

Still, no-one has managed to hack FW's servers and get hold of a copy of Extermination yet, so they must have some idea of how Internet Security/Firewalls/DMZ works..

It sounded to me like you were condoning it, that you were saying the ease with which it happened makes it acceptable, which is a terrible form of logic that I applied to something more readily seen as 'bad' to show that.

 

If that isn't what you meant, then I will echo Kol's apology for misunderstanding what you posted.

 

Shoplifting? Geez, picking up freebies off a website now amounts to theft?

 

I think a better analogy would be walking, at a Convention, to a retailer's table who has pictures of upcoming products but some have been hidden behind drapes, and just walking over and peeking behind at the hidden pictures. Sure, it's out of line, but it's far from outright theft...

You would be entirely correct, if I had been using an analogy. But not everything that follows the words "that's like saying" is an automatic analogy.

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It sounded to me like you were condoning it, that you were saying the ease with which it happened makes it acceptable, which is a terrible form of logic that I applied to something more readily seen as 'bad' to show that.

 

If that isn't what you meant, then I will echo Kol's apology for misunderstanding what you posted.

 

I was not saying that it is acceptible - what I was saying is that regardless of acceptability it happens anyway, and the onus is entirely on companies such as FW to improve their Internet Security and Web Admin procedures/policies to prevent it wherever possible - something that they completely overlooked in this instance. 

 

You can't count on a thief to suddenly have a complete change of heart and not steal something that is there for the taking - you are always much better making the target as difficult to steal as possible so that either 1) they aren't aware of it's existence in the first place or 2) it is so hard to steal that they give up out of frustration. Of the two, number 1 is always the preferred option as there are some pretty determined people out there!

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Soooo...on that note..... I hear that Grave Warden Terminators are to be released before Christmas!

Anyone managed to hack any piccies of them off the net yet?

I'll get my coat… msn-wink.gif

LOL! :D

You mean these guys? No official photos as yet :)

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-J-Z8nUPE_8Y/Uko7XcbXnZI/AAAAAAAACAM/qIs8pfgnfKY/s1600/IMG_6120.JPG

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You saved me time searching for it!

 

Beautiful models no question. way better than the Deathshroud Terminators. I still think the Deathshroud was a missed opportunity. But things are looking up! The Grave Wardens are trully magnificent models! 

 

 

 

 

And guys? stay on topic. Seriously.

DuskRaider Venerable Brother

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I agree with Deathshroud. I was sincerely hoping for baroque Cataphractii armor to go along with the Legion's relentless feel, but alas it was not meant to be. Grave Wardens definitely make up for it, and if you're rich you could certainly make more appropriate Deathshroud by combining the two kits.

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You saved me time searching for it!

 

Beautiful models no question. way better than the Deathshroud Terminators. I still think the Deathshroud was a missed opportunity. But things are looking up! The Grave Wardens are trully magnificent models! 

 

 

 

 

And guys? stay on topic. Seriously.

 

Oddly enough I think I like the Deathshroud Terminators a little better.  But it might be because they have giant scythes!

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Well honestly Cataphractii / Tartaros weapon hands are interchangeable. I have some of my Cataphractii armed with Tigrus Combi-Bolters, and all of my Power Axe Terminators are using the Tartaros pattern. Tartaros legs work well with Cataphractii torsos as well. Most of the stuff is interchangeable, actually.

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NL night raptors are up: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/NIGHT_LORDS_NIGHT_RAPTORS.html

I never realised that their gloves were made of skin... especially the one that has an entire sleeve! :o sick.gif

I was more neutral when I saw the pics from te Games Day but now that I see them painted... :no:

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And Mark III Shoulder Pads too: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/NIGHT_LORDS_LEGION_MK_III_SHOULDER_PADS.html

 

Some of the poses of those Raptors are a bit too wonky for me but otherwise I like them. Though, I think they might look even better if you took those bat wings off their helmets.

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I like literally everything about those Raptors except the gloves. Like that little axe on the far right is sweet! They look so out of place! I can even deal with the wonky feet, but it looks like they're wearing fancy elbow gloves they stole from a Reaper mini's Rogue model.

 

A tad disappointed none of them have an "official" chainglaive too... Oh well, online bits sellers are about to miss all their GK halberds and raptor CCWs.

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