Nykona Sharrowkyn

[Kol Saresk]

Yep.

[ShadowMaster]

Don't work up a sweat over Lucius, sure he is good I would even say Legion Elite but Nykona is aweomse and the Ravenspire has taught him a thing or two about combat that Lucius was not prepared to face.

I can't wait to see Sigismund in action, I think Khârn will be one of the dozen chaos champions who will fall to Sigismund's blade on Terran...or at least that is what I dream of

[Lord Lorne Walkier]

I think this is a case of "Styles make fights".  He is to focused and when he faces some one who is out side his comfort zone he looses his advantage.  Like a left handed fencer who when facing with a opponent who is also left handed is at a bigger disadvantage then a right handed fighter.  Sharrowkyn's style is the rock to Lucius's scissor.   When Loken and Tarvits beat Lucius they did it because they Know the man and used that knowledge to gain a advantage in the fight.

  

[amaze07]

As far as I remember he wont turn into him,as he used the pistol and not the sword am I correct?!ya cant wait to read up on some of Sigismunds skills!!

[Brother Captain Ming]

As far as I remember he wont turn into him,as he used the pistol and not the sword am I correct?!ya cant wait to read up on some of Sigismunds skills!!

 

As far as I remember it was anyone that killed him and took pleasure/enthusiasm/satisfaction in it, regardless of the weapon used.

 

 

​Although that evidently isn't occurring yet, and ...found it on Lexi (I don't have access to a lot of stuff right now, so I'm mostly shooting from memory) evidently he dies by Lord Commander Cyrius hand and it's that death that makes Slaanesh take notice and start the whole armour warping transformation stuff.

 

 

[SirAstartes]

Don't work up a sweat over Lucius, sure he is good I would even say Legion Elite but Nykona is aweomse and the Ravenspire has taught him a thing or two about combat that Lucius was not prepared to face.

I can't wait to see Sigismund in action, I think Khârn will be one of the dozen chaos champions who will fall to Sigismund's blade on Terran...or at least that is what I dream of

You and me both! Loved reading that Sigismund trained in the cages with the WE.

If you read 'The Crimson Fist' Euphrati Keeler tells Sigismund that your father will need you before the end, I think he is going to play a huge role, I really want to see a lot of Primarch vs Primarch duels at Terra

[Kol Saresk]

Well IIRC, in the IA article about the Siege of Terra isn't Dorn supposed to recapture the Sky Fortress that turned out to be like a pivotal role in the Siege?

[Apothecary Vaddon]

 

As far as I remember he wont turn into him,as he used the pistol and not the sword am I correct?!ya cant wait to read up on some of Sigismunds skills!!

 

As far as I remember it was anyone that killed him and took pleasure/enthusiasm/satisfaction in it, regardless of the weapon used.

 

 

​Although that evidently isn't occurring yet, and ...found it on Lexi (I don't have access to a lot of stuff right now, so I'm mostly shooting from memory) evidently he dies by Lord Commander Cyrius hand and it's that death that makes Slaanesh take notice and start the whole armour warping transformation stuff.

 

 

Most definitely. Sharrokyn didn't turn into Lucius, this is his line from the novel:

 

"‘It gives me no pleasure to do this,’ said Sharrowkyn. ‘You are nothing to me, simply a rabid dog that needs to be put down.' "

 

[Peter the Hermit]

Main question - is Sharrokyn a psyker when doing *banf* during a swordfight?

[Kol Saresk]

Banf?

[Peter the Hermit]

You know like nightcrawler? Disappearing (RG attribute) or he was just "that ****** fast",,,,

[Kol Saresk]

Ah. I was unaware the Raven Guard could "disappear." I always associated Corax's ability to hide in plain sight as being similar to the Shadow's ability to "cloud the minds of men."

 

 

But I think it was his speed, combined with his stealth training an the fact he was using his jump pack to fly around Lucius. That and at one point he headbutted him, not exactly swordsmanship. Combine those two with a Death by One Thousand Cuts sword style, Lucius wasn't a match with his articulated fencing.

 

[nighthaunter666]

 

I was pleasantly surprised that Sharrowkyn beat Lucius. No matter how good you are there is always someone better. In a duel Lucius is probably better than most but there is a big difference between a duel and a fight to the death.

Also, Sharrowkyn won't be turning into Lucius as in the final mini-chapter, Lucius clearly returns to life in Fabius Bile's laboratory. Bile even asks him how he is alive after being brought to him as a corpse.

 

[Vesper]

 

Lucius is easily the most overrated of the heresy era warriors.

For such a great warrior he is fairly easily tricked by ''dirty'' fighting.

Haha, clearly. Lucius feels so rushed. Being one of the best swordsman and duellist of the legiones astarte and being beaten ad nauseam by every nobodies in the block. Pretty sad, he had the potential to be a great character.

[Kol Saresk]

 

I was pleasantly surprised that Sharrowkyn beat Lucius. No matter how good you are there is always someone better. In a duel Lucius is probably better than most but there is a big difference between a duel and a fight to the death.

 

Also, Sharrowkyn won't be turning into Lucius as in the final mini-chapter, Lucius clearly returns to life in Fabius Bile's laboratory. Bile even asks him how he is alive after being brought to him as a corpse.

 

I think Lucius biggest downfall is that even now in his Slaaneshi state, he fights with a martial code. "This is how swordplay is done." When it came to Tarvitz and Loken, they realized they could never play his way and win. So they did what Astartes do: make the game winnable.

 

Sharrowkyn did the exact same thing. The difference was, he was at Lucius level of skill. But where Lucius was still stuck at the notion of fighting fair, our friendly , neighborhood Raven Guard wasn't so inclined. If he was, he never would have used a jump pack during the fight.

 

[Trel]

...Being one of the best swordsman and duellist of the legiones astarte and being beaten ad nauseam...

 

That is so totally true.  At this point, beating Lucius is one of those things that a legionnaire just has to do in order to be considered "upper echelon".

 

Every time he's beaten, it's written off as "well yeah, of course he got beat.  He's the best swordsman, not the best warrior."  It diminishes the character.  Instead of thinking, "Oh no, now my favorite character's done for: he's fighting Lucius" now a reader thinks, "Oh.  Lucius.  Back up a couple of feet, listen to his exposition, shoot him in the face, move on..."

[Billuriye]

...Being one of the best swordsman and duellist of the legiones astarte and being beaten ad nauseam...

 

That is so totally true.  At this point, beating Lucius is one of those things that a legionnaire just has to do in order to be considered "upper echelon".

 

Every time he's beaten, it's written off as "well yeah, of course he got beat.  He's the best swordsman, not the best warrior."  It diminishes the character.  Instead of thinking, "Oh no, now my favorite character's done for: he's fighting Lucius" now a reader thinks, "Oh.  Lucius.  Back up a couple of feet, listen to his exposition, shoot him in the face, move on..."

None of this is true. 

[gogmagog]

It gives me no pleasure to do this,’ said Sharrowkyn. ‘You are nothing to me, simply a rabid dog that needs to be put down.' "

 

Best line in the Heresy! love it.

 

 

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[[TA]Typher]

Lucius is very far from being a gatekeeper to elitehood. I don't understand all the apathy for his abilities. He is an amazing fighter, who could best any astartes if the situations were right. Much like the primarchs themselves the situation dictates the fights.

 

If u watch mixed martial arts everyone loses once in a while. It's just how life works. Being at the peek of astartes fighting ability leaves alot of room for the situation to help dictate the winner. Sure loken beat lucius, but if they fought again i have no illusions that lucuis would win.

 

With all that said i love shadowkynn! One of my new favorite characters.

[Vesper]

I think they make him lose repeatedly because he's proud, to show how much pride can be a major drawback and such... Which feels pretty weak when you think about it. I don't understand why he's so proud if everyone beats him. That doesn't make sense. Yet he doesn't seem to change. That is why he feels like a missed opportunity and why they should just kill him once and for all.

[Trel]

 

...Being one of the best swordsman and duellist of the legiones astarte and being beaten ad nauseam...

 

That is so totally true.  At this point, beating Lucius is one of those things that a legionnaire just has to do in order to be considered "upper echelon".

 

Every time he's beaten, it's written off as "well yeah, of course he got beat.  He's the best swordsman, not the best warrior."  It diminishes the character.  Instead of thinking, "Oh no, now my favorite character's done for: he's fighting Lucius" now a reader thinks, "Oh.  Lucius.  Back up a couple of feet, listen to his exposition, shoot him in the face, move on..."

None of this is true. 

Thanks for that.  I was just thinking I needed someone to tell me what my opinion is.

 

More to the point, though.  When the Horus Heresy series was introduced, the writers had a considerable challenge of having to create a whole pantheon of new characters and make them seem mighty, but there were very few points of reference available to the writers, excluding Primarchs and a few other characters.  Lucius happened to be one of them.  He was already known to CSM fans, so he was a convenient point of reference.  Thus, beating Lucius would make a character seem mighty without making him seem like a demi-primarch, which is what would happen if someone were to beat a Khârn.  On the other hand, beating a Typhus, Ahriman, or Fabius-type character wouldn't make them seem as mighty, since those characters are defined more by their wits than their brawn.

 

Thus, the writers can content themselves with being consistent in saying that Lucius was unbeatable if it were a one-on-one fight, with Lucius using only swords and his opponent limited only to close-combat weaponry, and "unsporting tactics" were not allowed, etc, etc, etc; while still being able to have him be routinely beaten by characters whom the writers would like to make seem mighty.

 

Sharrokyn didn't seem like all that much to me until he fought Lucius and then I realized, "OK, he's a lot more than a stealth-guy."

 

Did it diminish Lucius?  Conveniently, no, because it wasn't Lucius' kind of fight and Lucius fans can always point out that he still hasn't been beaten in a straight-up duel.

[DarthMarko]

Huh?

Loken,Tarvitz (in the same manner as Loken),Sharrokyn and EC guy (who took to much pleasure) all defeated him in a straight up fight....

[Billuriye]

Thanks for that.  I was just thinking I needed someone to tell me what my opinion is.

I just pointed out its wrongness. No need to make it sound personal.

[Kol Saresk]

Trel, what is your current opinion of Sigismund?

[Vesper]

Huh?

Loken,Tarvitz (in the same manner as Loken),Sharrokyn and EC guy (who took to much pleasure) all defeated him in a straight up fight....

 

It's not that he took too much pleasure (that was lord commander Cyrius) it's just that he originally was the first one to beat Lucius. So yeah, that's a heavy retcon now that everyone and his mother rolled on Lucius. He made it through the Heresy without being dedeated, his skill was legendary far beyond its legion and his fighting style was unstoppable, his pride made sense, back then... The character does not have any consistency now, which is why I'd be glad if they killed him once and for all.