DuskRaider Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Hi, I'm currently painting up my Pre-Heresy Death Guard and I've come to my Veterans. I'm most likely going to run my force using the Pride of the Legion Rite of War, and I'd like to have my Veterans be Terrans, namely Dusk Raider alumni. I was considering doing their right pauldron and vambrace in crimson, but I'm not sure if this would have been acceptable in the Legion post-discovery of Mortarion. I know Death Guard aren't too keen on heraldry and whatnot, but I was figuring that veterans who had been with the Legion since it's inception would be an exception to that rule. On the other hand, I know that Mortarion was a bit wary of the old Dusk Raiders, and also it seems that Garro himself had no indication on his armor of being a Dusk Raider veteran either. Any thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271081-death-guard-veteran-scheme/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vardus Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Looking at the Betrayal book, the Death Guard seem to be the least ornate in veteran decoration. The image of Sergeant Taragth Sune has the crossed scythes as a personal commendation form Mortarion. Other than this he looks like a Death Guard marine. The only real "fluffy" way to tell a veteran I suppose would be the state of dis-repair of his armour. At the end of the day, so long as the armour looks suitably battle damaged and uncared for I see no problems, well maybe for the vets displaying Dusk Raider heraldry it could be a problem as it would more than likely mark them as suitable for the first wave of landings on Isstvan III! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271081-death-guard-veteran-scheme/#findComment-3301857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted February 11, 2013 Author Share Posted February 11, 2013 It's true that they would probably be relegated to the Loyalist forces on Isstvan III at that point. Honestly, half of the idea was to give the Veterans more character. The second was to make them stand out from the rest of the force, which is already dingy, and battle-worn. Perhaps I'll just pick up the transfers and call it a day. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271081-death-guard-veteran-scheme/#findComment-3302110 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 It's a tough one and something I am also pondering at the moment. My initial force is line marines - tacticals and breachers, but phase two will see some veterans. The betrayal indicates even more distressed armour, but I might also follow the picture on p. 132 and leave the left pauldron white. The rest of mine having both pauldrons in green trimmed in bronze. Good luck with whatever you choose Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271081-death-guard-veteran-scheme/#findComment-3302885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted February 12, 2013 Author Share Posted February 12, 2013 The white pauldron isn't a bad idea, either. I was also thinking of having the trim a different color, as my force so far uses Tin Bitz (or rather, Warplock Bronze). Maybe Runelord Bronze or something. I did my Praetor in Gold, along with my Contemptors, as I figured they'd be an exception. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271081-death-guard-veteran-scheme/#findComment-3303053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheForgottenAngel Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Perhaps have a stripe on their helmets denoting veteran status? It wouldn't be too stand out but still differentiate them from the rest. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271081-death-guard-veteran-scheme/#findComment-3303265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vardus Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Having re-read my Betrayal book with regard to the DG, the images seem to suggest that striped helms were for sergeants, maybe higher ranks also. As for the Terran veterans, well they were either being killed off through attrition or moved to being tank crews it seems! ( I know Garro is an exception as others maybe :) ) It also brought back memories of Adeptus Titanicus and Space Marine, where the War Hounds and Dusk raiders were the original Legion colours until the Heresy and after declaring for the Warmaster they changed to the schemes and names we all know! It also presents that age old problem of which legion as they are both schemes I like ;) . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271081-death-guard-veteran-scheme/#findComment-3303299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted February 12, 2013 Author Share Posted February 12, 2013 A stripe may work. I would assume to use green, because honestly I just can't see any other colors working too well with Death Guard. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271081-death-guard-veteran-scheme/#findComment-3303304 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted February 12, 2013 Author Share Posted February 12, 2013 Yeah, I saw the portion saying that Dusk Raider veterans were relegated to tank crew. Pretty demeaning, but I'm sure most of them found themselves in the First Wave on Isstvan III anyhow. Honestly, it seems like any Death Guard that originated from any other planet but Barbarus found themselves on the receiving end of a virus bomb. I've actually started a World Eaters allied contingent force consisting of pretty much just Assault Marines, led by a Praetor with Jump Pack & Paragon Blade / Master-Crafted Power Axe. I play both armies Post Heresy, so it's ind of fun to get that feeling of the army in, but without the taint of Chaos. I'm honestly considering doing a small force of Dusk Raiders as well, just to scratch that itch, so to speak. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271081-death-guard-veteran-scheme/#findComment-3303336 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 I don't recall the word 'relegated' being used, although I may have missed something. It does state that Mortarion wanted his infantrymen to be capable of fulfilling a variety of tasks, tactical, support, specialist weapons etc. (see Betrayal, pp. 128-9) As the longest surviving, the Terran Marines had the experience to do all those things exceptionally well, and become masters of the use of heavy armour. Not demeaning at all, but a recognition of their greater experience. Remember that most of the Heavy As formed part of the second wave - hence the Veil of Tears incident. Regards, Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271081-death-guard-veteran-scheme/#findComment-3304623 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted February 14, 2013 Author Share Posted February 14, 2013 The way I read it, it sounded like it wasn't exactly an honor for the Veterans. Mortarion didn't seem to keen on the Terran Vets, and I can think of a few reasons why. One would be, he didn't know these guys too much and really had nothing in common with them. The second would be, they were first and foremost loyal to the Emperor. Sure, they loved their Primarch like a father, but their real devotion was to the Emperor. Even while Mortarion was loyal, he still wasn't a big fan of his father. He could even look at the Dusk Raider Vets as spies. Obviously, there were exceptions such as Garro, Huron Fal, etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271081-death-guard-veteran-scheme/#findComment-3305000 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Maybe DR, but if he didn't trust them why give them the Legion's most potent land-based weapon systems? I think the the Veil of Tears came as such a shock precisely because the betrayal of some terrans was unforeseen. Anyway, linked to the opening question, what do people reckon on helmet crests? I understand the Ancient Roman influence, so red for centurions and white for senior officers works, but what about sergeants? Red, green, any suggestions? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271081-death-guard-veteran-scheme/#findComment-3306253 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted February 16, 2013 Author Share Posted February 16, 2013 I honestly cannot picture Helm Crests on Death Guard, it seems way too ornate. I always figured officers would have Pickelhaubes, like the Post-Heresy models do. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271081-death-guard-veteran-scheme/#findComment-3306459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 You may be right DR, but then they 'all' used to have the picklehelm look. Going through Betrayal again, based on the sgt on p.130 and the dred on p.241, stripped helmets does look like a good option for veterans Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271081-death-guard-veteran-scheme/#findComment-3307328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted February 18, 2013 Author Share Posted February 18, 2013 I agree. Is it just me or is the helm stripe actually black? The spiked helms would still work, I think. Especially because it would be a pain in the arse to do on an entire army, haha. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271081-death-guard-veteran-scheme/#findComment-3307729 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Yes, looks like a black strip on the first, but green on the second. Clipping off plastic or brass spears, or model railing fencing and dropping them into drilled holes would work okay without being too painful. I might save that for Destroyers though Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271081-death-guard-veteran-scheme/#findComment-3307800 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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