Where do you want the Heresy to end?

[hobointherain]

there should be a lost legion jar, anyone who mentions the lost legions should have to pay a fine. And then at the end of the year we all go on a lovely day out to the sea side and eat fish and chips with the proceeds. 

[Olis]

there should be a lost legion jar, anyone who mentions the lost legions should have to pay a fine. And then at the end of the year we all go on a lovely day out to the sea side and eat fish and chips with the proceeds. 

 

I'd sign up to that. I love fish and chips. :D

[Chaeron]

there should be a lost legion jar, anyone who mentions the lost legions should have to pay a fine. And then at the end of the year we all go on a lovely day out to the sea side and eat fish and chips with the proceeds.

I'd sign up to that. I love fish and chips.

Oh man, I can't eat fish - I'll have to have a chicken burger instead.

And come on, they're lost... get over it!

[Lay]

The siege of Terra is probably the most explored event in the HH already.

We were given a first recount by Bill King in "RoC The Lost and the Damned", which has since then been reprinted several times in WD. And then there's the more recent HH artbooks and a few games that were set during the siege.

So for me, the question would be how close the BL novel will stick to older versions of the story and what new insights it could deliver.

[Qarassen]

Personally I'd like Horus Heresy to end with first Black Crusade, I think it will denominate single point in history when the Galaxy is how we know it now.

 

That would be an good way for the series to end, after all i would like to read books of the "cat and mouse" game when the traitor legions are running for the eye of terror. And like you said to end it when the first black crusade begins. 

[Kol Saresk]

Hmm, A D-B does bring up a good point. While some of us here may think a cliffhanger might be okay, but we are hardly representative of the whole BnC community or even the fandom outside of BnC.

@Aekold: Prince of Crows hardly covered the entire Legion in my opinion. Just in that short story alone we see three views from "Curze is already dead, just dump him somewhere." to "I really don't care" to "As long as his heart(s) beat, we will do whatever it takes to keep him alive."

And we know from Lord of the Night and the Night Lords series(also written by A D-B ) that are many more views. And ultimately, there will always be more created by the fans and whenever an author writes anything that mentions a single Night Lords POV.

EDIT Apparently me putting the "B" in A D-B's name next to a ")" resulted in a .

[daveclark890]

They have given over the last HH novel to a certain codex writer and the leak is that we were all wrong and it was Horus that won and we have all been living a lie and now must give all our money over to GW and work for them for free creating a real imperial guard to challenge all heretical forces on the planet!

[depthcharge12]

I for one would like to see what all the loyalists left at all from isstvaan 3 and other systems that didn't join their parent legion in heresy are up to at the siege if they are at all there.

 

And how bout garro and qruze? What are the old farts up to? Do they demand vengeance against their legion? Are they shut up in the GK fort?

 

I too vote for a multiple book coverage of the siege. I feel as though a legionary in the IF or BA will be the protagonist in the end and come upon the Emprah and Horus fighting and maybe throw a couple swings or assault cannon shots ;) which then will have an epilogue of the beginning of the scouring and black crusade.

 

I want to see the emotional moment when sangy tells azkaellon and dorn tells sigusmund to stay at the palace while they teleport away...

[DerekLee688]

I want the series they are selling as "the Heresy" (novels/Imperial armor), to end somewhere where the original mytholigy didn't mention being touched by the Heresy. The Warp, webway, or beyond the Milky way with combantants not mentioned in the original lore: men of stone, men of iron, lost legons or something. These guys can still be dead in the 40k universe to avoid messing with the current game/lore.

 

I think the only way you can end it in a bang is by writing something no-one can dismiss with old lore, and can't dismiss it by saying "been there knew that". Ending it this way gives readers/buyers/modeler/collectors something new information they couldn't have gotten anywhere else. As a mini game, they have to end it with something new we can collect and they probably should do it before a 3rd party parts maker does it for them. Copy right relations between US and UK, or China and anybody aren't what they use to be, GW's lawers are probably netting them less returns. Time to make something new!

[Olis]

... or beyond the Milky way with combantants not mentioned in the original lore: men of stone, men of iron, lost legons or something. 

 

*Shakes jar*

 

Money in the pot. :D

[Wade Garrett]

And on the other side Prince of Crows makes me depressed, because it tells us about the whole Legion, so now my old fluff becomes obsolete, and now I'm not sure how Sahaal ended up with his view of the Legion if it was that obvious by the time of Heresy.[/font]

 

But the most important thing is still not to talk about 2 lost Legions, because that will ruin A LOT!

The only thing "Prince of Crows" showed us was how SEVATAR saw the Legion, a viewpoint that the VIII primarch himself disagreed with. In much the same way that "Lord of the Night" gave us a Sahaal's eye view of the sons of Curze, which Krieg Acerbus said was bunk.

 

At any rate, I agree with Mr. Bowden.

I've been enjoying the HH since Horus Rising, why on Terra would I desire them to stop at the end of Act II?

[Felix Antipodes]

Brother Olisredan has it - a trio of novels to finish it up, just as it started out. I also like the idea of an anthology (either as the middle book or as a stand alone extra) so that we can get the input of as many of the authors as possible.

 

ADB is also quite correct: I would hate to be the editor who made the call to stop the series before its natural climax. He would be savaged by all; possibly even by some who originally called for it.

 

Then we can get on with The Scouring

[Vesper]

If the series ended before the final battle, let alone at the start of the Siege of Terra, and showed next to none of it, the authors would be crucified and mauled for the rest of their lives, for giving tens of thousands of fans the most severe case of blue balls in any fandom's history.

 

It sounds lofty and idealistic to say aborting the series then preserves integrity, but remember, the Siege of Terra is the part that's already had the most written about it, and if it was really that sacred, it wouldn't be the most detailed part, nor would the final battle have already been written years ago in a short story.

 

I totally agree there are a lot of mysteries revealed over the course of the series that I'd have preferred to stay much less open (and in something like this you're always going to have a wild variance of opinion on what "should" and "should never" be seen, with every single person disagreeing somewhere along the continuum), but you've got to be realistic with these things. If the series really did stop at the beginning of the Siege, 99% of the fans would be absolutely furious.

 

It wouldn't be preserving any integrity. It would be shafting the readers and not giving a damn about them, as well as narrative poison. Return of the King didn't end when Frodo makes it to the Mordor border, and feels a little bit tired. Return of the Jedi didn't end when the rebels arrive at Endor and Darth Vader is stood on a ship musing over what presences he feels. The Siege of Troy doesn't end in the ninth year with the Greeks stood outside the walls wondering what to do.

 

Not showing the endings of those stories wouldn't preserve the mystique or integrity, especially when we already know how they end.

 

Jesus, just imagining the absolutely vitriolic, depthless fan-rage we'd be subject to, if we ended it pre-Siege, makes my blood run cold. I can already see the reviews, the attacks on forums, the inboxes full of hatred.

 

The siege is already covered a few times, and that's the reason I don't think it would be a bad thing to end just before it. Everyone knows about the outcome and the multiple pieces of fluff already covering it would serve as an epitome to the breathtaking awesomeness of the battle, like parts of a shattered mirror, each one holding a tiny part of what the siege really was. Sometimes, what is left unsaid bears more sense that what lies on the paper. It would also keep alive the "out of this world" feel of that perticular batte.

But I'm sure most people clearly don't share my feeling on the subject.

[Brother Captain Ming]

Stop the story before the Siege?

Um, no. Worst idea since Greedo shooting first, imho. Mainly because not everyone can get their hands on all the previous fluff, and I would like to know which story is correct (if any of them, because with GW you just never can tell ).

The internment of the Emp on the Golden Throne is, to me, the end of the HH, and everything before that should be covered.

As for how many books/stories... I think a two to three book series, from the SoH pov, and the same, from either Dorn or Sanguinius (or rather from an Astartes in one of their Legions) pov. And then 2 books of shorts, one for each side, from other povs. Here you could have Sigismund going around owning traitors, The Khan's raid on the spaceport, a guardsman's experience, a titan's Princeps/Moderati experience fighting traitor/loyal titans, what the IIIrd Legion is doing during the Siege and so on. That much coverage would just make me !

there should be a lost legion jar, anyone who mentions the lost legions should have to pay a fine. And then at the end of the year we all go on a lovely day out to the sea side and eat fish and chips with the proceeds.

I'd sign up to that. I love fish and chips.

Oh man, I can't eat fish - I'll have to have a chicken burger instead.

And come on, they're lost... get over it!

I think the Fish & Chips shops still sell sausages and/or Chicken Pot Pies, so you should be alright!

[Epistolary Exander]

I'd imagine that a trilogy of books would be released to tell the main story, while another anthology or 2 would also be released to conclude the other plots for all the characters that have been introduced.

 

Id love for the series to end on the Trisagion with Lorgar revelling in how the traitors had won heresy.

[ShadowMaster]

Personally I'd like the Siege of Terra to be the final event of the heresy - once all is said and done about it, that's that. Horus Heresy done. And then we can move onto the Scouring.

Yes plz this!

[A D-B]

When we get asked this question at signings and panels, we usually have the same answer:

 

"We think the Horus Heresy series should end with the Golden Throne being switched on."

 

It may sound slightly pithy, but there's a real answer at the core of it.

[Olis]

When we get asked this question at signings and panels, we usually have the same answer:

 

"We think the Horus Heresy series should end with the Golden Throne being switched on."

 

It may sound slightly pithy, but there's a real answer at the core of it.

 

As far as final notes go, it's a good as any for the HH series to end on, I think. It's a rather significant event after all.

[Brother Captain Ming]

When we get asked this question at signings and panels, we usually have the same answer:

 

"We think the Horus Heresy series should end with the Golden Throne being switched on."

 

It may sound slightly pithy, but there's a real answer at the core of it.

 

This, one thousand, no one bazillion times this.

[Felix Antipodes]

When we get asked this question at signings and panels, we usually have the same answer:

 

"We think the Horus Heresy series should end with the Golden Throne being switched on."

 

It may sound slightly pithy, but there's a real answer at the core of it.

Then we can restart all those debates on whether the golden throne is to maintain or imprison the Emperor :lol

[Kol Saresk]

I thought the Golden Throne just used the Emperor as a battery while keeping the warp breach under the Imperial Palace sealed shut.......

[Wade Garrett]

 

I thought the Golden Throne just used the Emperor as a battery while keeping the warp breach under the Imperial Palace sealed shut.......

Warning: Below post is not original to me, but IS double plus extra heretical!

 

 

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Of course he’s dead. I killed him. What else was I going to do with him? See, it was like this. They worshipped me and they thought I could help him. One God helping another, as it were, kind of neighbourly.

 

Well, ask any God – it doesn’t work like that. Not in this neighbourhood.

 

I killed the son-of-a-bitch the first chance I got. No way I’m letting his kind stick around any longer than necessary, believe you me. So, I said, I says, “Yeah, I’ll cure him. Save him. Whatever.” Get this – I told them I could heal any injury, no matter how bad, if I had enough souls. Between you, me and this tree, I think that one sealed the deal.

 

Well, wouldn’t you believe a God if it told you that? I would. I think they believed me, but it didn’t matter one way or the other, did it? It’s not like they had Gods just lining up to help them out, am I right? They didn’t know who I was, back then, or what I was. Boy, did they sound pissed when they found out. Anyway, he had told them what to build and they had built it, but it hadn’t worked. Yeah, I know – big surprise. He was dying quickly – boo-freakin’-hoo – they came to me, I said “yes”, trying to sound casual, they hooked me up and I helped the sap on his way.

 

They didn’t notice.

 

Really, you think they would, but no. I kept all the systems ticking over, kept his body from totally falling apart, made everything look hunky-dory. Easy stuff, really, hardly had to pull any real God-moves at all, although I got some fly ones. Then I just gave him a nudge. It’s not as if he was talking to anyone by that point – how were they to know he was dead? I was thinking on my feet, you see? Not that I have feet. To everyone on the outside, the big cheese was safe. Hauled back from the brink of death. Me, I knew better. “Keep him that way,” they said to me. “Keep him that way, or we will cast you into the deepest pit on the darkest world.”

 

Yeah. Been there.

 

Still, here is infinitely preferable to there, and a damned sight better than where I was, buried up to my ineffable on the fourth planet. Don’t tell anyone I said this, but I would’ve french-kissed Khaine himself to get out of stasis. Hey, you don’t know till you’ve been there, alright? They worshipped me, but they weren’t stupid, you know? Ok, they were stupid, but not suicidal. They kept me well bottled-up and – well – they still do, but at least I’m well-fed.

 

I can’t believe they still haven’t noticed he’s dead.

 

There’s like three cells left. One in his brain, one in his pancreas, whatever that is, and the other in his right ankle somewhere. And they think he’s still alive? Come on! A God has to have some standards – I could find smarter worshippers than these under a rock. Even the rock itself would fancy its chances. Man!

 

Where was I? Right. Well-fed. This chorus of theirs gives me all the chow I need, but I would like more. There, I said it. I’m not being greedy – don’t get me wrong – but I ask you, how many souls are too many? Well, if you think you can answer that question, you’re not a God, take it from me. They’re all psykers too, which is just gravy. Can’t kill those bastards fast enough as far as I’m concerned, and here they are, rounding them up and just doing it for me.

 

I’ll thank them properly when I get out.

 

Downsides? It’s lonely, but I can cope. It’s no big. Been on my own for a while now, but a God’s got to keep his spirits up. Nothing like the deaths of ten thousand psykers every month to keep a chap feeling perky! It’s a bit of a pain in the arse to have to maintain this beacon of theirs, though, but if I don’t, they’ll know he’s dead, and then they’ll pack me up and ship me back to Mars. Or to that ‘deepest pit’ they go on about. So, thanks, but no. I’ll take the free souls and the bucketloads of power they pour into this thing, until I can work out a way to get off this dump. Or until my boys work out where I am.

 

I’m going to do their star when I go, I think. A little ‘goodbye’ present.

 

Until then, I’ll keep on trucking along, and keep hoping that my real servants work out I’m not on the fourth planet any more. Guys, I’m over here. Seriously, you were one, measly world away. You couldn’t spot me? I know our kind and the Warp aren’t exactly bosom buddies, but I’m waving the Astronomican like a bloody beach-towel here and you still can’t see it? We’ve got to get a handle on this Warp, that’s my thinking. Use it or lose it, that’s what I’ve always said.

 

You’ve got to think ahead in the God game, ‘cos it’s a long game, know what I mean?

 

Anyway, if you get this message, it means you’re in the Warp already, which kind of rules my guys out, but pass it on, will you? They’re the shiny ones who walk real slow, you’ll see them around. Big on tombs. Give them a shout from me. Third planet, mind, not the fourth. Northern hemisphere, just under the dead guy on the big, shiny throne. No need to knock.

 

Tell them the Void Dragon says, “Hi.” They’ll know who you mean. We go way back.

 

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Adeptus Astronomica Archives

 

Clearance: Obsidian+

Origin: Extracted from random noise in the Astronomican signal M41.998.54 to M41.998.87

Extent of record: partial only

[Kol Saresk]

Uh-huh. Right.

[Felix Antipodes]

Now you know why I put "lol" on the end of my post...

[Kol Saresk]

I do now that I have opened Pandora's Box...