Chaplain ChonkE Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 The story must be finished now that it is started. I was one of those who was slightly unhappy they decided to write the Heresy out but I am a pretty big fan now and some excellent yarns have been woven. I agree that a trilogy at the end would be completely appropriate as a bookend, just like the trilogy at the beginning was the opening salvo. It would feel right somehow. It would hard to have a character as likeable as Abnett's Loken though. Wish he stayed dead. I really liked him as a character and it hit me a bit when he was martyred. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271121-where-do-you-want-the-heresy-to-end/page/3/#findComment-3304572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 I think the Heresy should end where it began, with Loken telling his story. I hope we would get to see who he is telling it too, and what these people are going to do with the information he is giving them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271121-where-do-you-want-the-heresy-to-end/page/3/#findComment-3304647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AekoldHelbrass Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 When we get asked this question at signings and panels, we usually have the same answer: "We think the Horus Heresy series should end with the Golden Throne being switched on." It may sound slightly pithy, but there's a real answer at the core of it. Well, that totally beast my suggestion. I think that I'm just curious about rebels retreating to the Eye and searching for new homes, that's why I suggested first Black Crusade. But maybe it will be covered by other books, eventually?... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271121-where-do-you-want-the-heresy-to-end/page/3/#findComment-3304732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 14, 2013 Author Share Posted February 14, 2013 Well that is most likely where the Heresy will end. There's still the Scouring. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271121-where-do-you-want-the-heresy-to-end/page/3/#findComment-3304753 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 When we get asked this question at signings and panels, we usually have the same answer: "We think the Horus Heresy series should end with the Golden Throne being switched on." It may sound slightly pithy, but there's a real answer at the core of it. Well, that totally beast my suggestion. I think that I'm just curious about rebels retreating to the Eye and searching for new homes, that's why I suggested first Black Crusade. But maybe it will be covered by other books, eventually?... I start The Talon of Horus in a couple of weeks. That's the first novel in the Black Legion series I've wanted to write since forever - and the first book is set before the First Black Crusade, during the Legion Wars in the Eye of Terror. So the First Black Crusade is definitely going to get some airtime in the next few years. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271121-where-do-you-want-the-heresy-to-end/page/3/#findComment-3304830 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Orlok Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 When we get asked this question at signings and panels, we usually have the same answer: "We think the Horus Heresy series should end with the Golden Throne being switched on." It may sound slightly pithy, but there's a real answer at the core of it. That's my thought on the matter entirely. It really needs to end with the 40K status quo being formed, and the start of that is His Nibs getting plugged in. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271121-where-do-you-want-the-heresy-to-end/page/3/#findComment-3305480 Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.G.J. Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 I agree that the series should end with the conclusion of the Siege of Terra. Whether it is with the switching on of the Golden Throne or some epilogue following the confrontation between Big E and Horus doesn't really matter. There will be closure, so to speak. I of course don't want to see this end come to pass too soon, though, because there are so many aspects and factions I want to see fleshed out in greater detail. Yet, I think it would be terribly anticlimactic to see the series go on beyond the Siege of Terra. How does one top a cataclysmic event like that? One doesn't. What I am curious about is what BL and GW are going to do once the series concludes. This has been a very successful venture for them and it seems far fetched to think they would just end the series and say, "That's all folks!" To me this represents a pretty important as well as risky moment for them. Where do they go from there? Based on A D-B's upcoming series it seems there will be some exploration of events post Heresy, but it sounds like these will be stand alone series. Would it be possible that once the Horus Heresy Series is over they open up for some authors to write singular novels or short stories set in 30K as an alternative to writing about 40K? Do they explore various events and campaigns that transpired between 30K and 40K? I.e. do they try to fill in 10,000 years of fluff? I have no idea and it will be interesting to see what they do. What do you guys think? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271121-where-do-you-want-the-heresy-to-end/page/3/#findComment-3305754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 I start The Talon of Horus in a couple of weeks. That's the first novel in the Black Legion series I've wanted to write since forever - and the first book is set before the First Black Crusade, during the Legion Wars in the Eye of Terror. So the First Black Crusade is definitely going to get some airtime in the next few years. And there was much rejoicing. HUZZAH! HUZZAH! HUZZAH! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271121-where-do-you-want-the-heresy-to-end/page/3/#findComment-3305871 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 15, 2013 Author Share Posted February 15, 2013 I agree that the series should end with the conclusion of the Siege of Terra. Whether it is with the switching on of the Golden Throne or some epilogue following the confrontation between Big E and Horus doesn't really matter. There will be closure, so to speak. I of course don't want to see this end come to pass too soon, though, because there are so many aspects and factions I want to see fleshed out in greater detail. Yet, I think it would be terribly anticlimactic to see the series go on beyond the Siege of Terra. How does one top a cataclysmic event like that? One doesn't. What I am curious about is what BL and GW are going to do once the series concludes. This has been a very successful venture for them and it seems far fetched to think they would just end the series and say, "That's all folks!" To me this represents a pretty important as well as risky moment for them. Where do they go from there? Based on A D-B's upcoming series it seems there will be some exploration of events post Heresy, but it sounds like these will be stand alone series. Would it be possible that once the Horus Heresy Series is over they open up for some authors to write singular novels or short stories set in 30K as an alternative to writing about 40K? Do they explore various events and campaigns that transpired between 30K and 40K? I.e. do they try to fill in 10,000 years of fluff? I have no idea and it will be interesting to see what they do. What do you guys think? I think fillin in the ten thousand year gap will be exactly what happens. Granted, we won't see all of it, but we will see a very good portion of it. Things like the Obscuran Uprising and the first few Black Crusades. Maybe even a Space Marines battle novel of Ghorstangrad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271121-where-do-you-want-the-heresy-to-end/page/3/#findComment-3305958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 I start The Talon of Horus in a couple of weeks. That's the first novel in the Black Legion series I've wanted to write since forever - and the first book is set before the First Black Crusade, during the Legion Wars in the Eye of Terror. So the First Black Crusade is definitely going to get some airtime in the next few years. I imagine the Talon of Horus is something quite heavy to bear :). Super happy about your Black Legion series. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271121-where-do-you-want-the-heresy-to-end/page/3/#findComment-3305961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haywire Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Personally, I would like to see the Siege of Terra done over a few novels, maybe an anthology or two of short stories before the final book covers the last moments of the siege, the assault on the Vengeful Spirit and, as ADB mentioned, the Golden Throne being switched on. Then we can have Loken deliver the last line of the Horus Heresy book series as he watches on, saying, "I was there the day that Horus slew the Emperor." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271121-where-do-you-want-the-heresy-to-end/page/3/#findComment-3308834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 I'm sure a lot have already said it, but I'd like the HH series to end with a trilogy not unlike its opening trilogy. However, I'd like an anthology to go with it to cover those elements not integral to the core battle (Horus vs. the Emperor). First book should be a set-up, second book the siege, and third the climactic duel and aftermath. Each should focus on the biggest players, the Emperor, Horus, perhaps Dorn/Sanguinius, though please not from their perspectives, with the remainder being saved for the anthology. After that, the Scouring series. Then the First Black Crusade (Cheers AD-B, I greatly look forward to that book), and so on. Don't stop until you're back to 40k. I want to see it all. It does look like we'll get it, though likely piecemeal and not following the timeline. The Macharian Crusade, for instance, is being written/just released, there was a preview in one of the books I got. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271121-where-do-you-want-the-heresy-to-end/page/3/#findComment-3309264 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimdarkness Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 With the start of the new BL series the siege of Terra followed by the scouring. To do the siege justice you would need 5 books at the least one for the fist's and then the blood angle's and the white scar's. Just an idea. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271121-where-do-you-want-the-heresy-to-end/page/3/#findComment-3309414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
crucial Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 I'd like to see the siege done as a collection of short stories with different protagonists and point of views written by several authors, if they can somehow make those short stories interconnect with each other to create a bigger view of the whole thing then it's perfect This would be perfect. Lots of differant viewpoints of the battle... imo probably the only true way to represent something so big in 1 book. Exciting stuff! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271121-where-do-you-want-the-heresy-to-end/page/3/#findComment-3312788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 I'm interested in who will provide the POV during the boarding of the Vengeful Spirit Dorn? Sanguinus? Lowly scrub? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271121-where-do-you-want-the-heresy-to-end/page/3/#findComment-3312802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Depends on who's writing it, really. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271121-where-do-you-want-the-heresy-to-end/page/3/#findComment-3312805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legionator Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 I'm interested in who will provide the POV during the boarding of the Vengeful Spirit Dorn? Sanguinus? Lowly scrub? The guy (I wonder would he be a mere Imperial Guard soldier, an Imperial Fists terminator or a Custodian Guard) who distracts the Arch-Traitor and gets burned to dust instantly would be awesome. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271121-where-do-you-want-the-heresy-to-end/page/3/#findComment-3312989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 I'm interested in who will provide the POV during the boarding of the Vengeful Spirit Dorn? Sanguinus? Lowly scrub? Ollanius Pius. If I want to see the full conflict between Horus and Sanguinius, or Horus and the Emperor, I'd like it to be a short story. For the novel, I want it to be Ollanius Pius, and it ends with his death. edit: Should have read the post above mine a bit more thoroughly, he was saying the same guy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271121-where-do-you-want-the-heresy-to-end/page/3/#findComment-3315336 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbero666 Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 I think the Heresy should end where it began, with Loken telling his story. I hope we would get to see who he is telling it too, and what these people are going to do with the information he is giving them. That would be totally awesome... "I was there the day Horus slew the Emperor" (this time for real, I swear, no joking, Torgaddon is dead so it's true). As it has been said before, writing a whole series about an event such the Heresy, telling us great moments like Istvaan III, the Dropsite Massacre and the Destruction of Prospero, only to end it before the great battle everybody is expecting would be a nonsense. It has been said that if the Battle of Terra is depicted in the novels it would lose all the "magic" and "mistery"...but then why write all the novels before that moment? I mean, If they have already written all the other stuff is logical to write its ending too. It would be anticlimatic to end this series before the Battle of Terra, is The Horus Heresy Series, and the Horus Heresy include (of course) the final fight between Horus and the Big E. And c'mon it will be cool to read Abaddon saying something like "Damn you loyalist I will have my revenge" aaand then read the A-D-B's novels about the Black Legion first steps. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271121-where-do-you-want-the-heresy-to-end/page/3/#findComment-3315391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Am I the only one who wants Dan the man to write the "last" book? (Dan Abnett) :) Or is there someone else who would be great for it? I mean ADB is a great writer but he's in the middle of writing the talon of horus already...it would be cool to see who he wants to write it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271121-where-do-you-want-the-heresy-to-end/page/3/#findComment-3315634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antarius Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I think AD-B would be the best choice. He's by far the best of the BL bunch at writing characters and emotions while simultaneously giving it that "epic" feel. I mean the Night Lords trilogy is mostly about Talos' thoughts and feelings at the end of the day and Betrayer is almost a buddy tragedy. And there are moments that absolutely brings a tear to your eyes in both. The final confrontation between father and brothers and the huge impact of that story is really down to emotions and some great melodramatic stuff. As such it has potential to be absolutely great or embarassingly cheesy, all depending on who writes it. For stuff like that, there's really only AD-B. At least to my mind. I only hope the BL team feels the same way as me on that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271121-where-do-you-want-the-heresy-to-end/page/3/#findComment-3315689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legionator Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Am I the only one who wants Dan the man to write the "last" book? (Dan Abnett) Or is there someone else who would be great for it? I mean ADB is a great writer but he's in the middle of writing the talon of horus already...it would be cool to see who he wants to write it I agree that Dan Abnett should write the last book. He wrote the first book and it is his duty to make the closure. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271121-where-do-you-want-the-heresy-to-end/page/3/#findComment-3315843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 It should be Dan. And if it's not, I'll eat my hat. I have about a dozen of them, anyway. It's incredibly humbling when anyone says they'd like me to do it, but it's gotta be Dan. If BL asked me to do it, I'd refuse, and if it comes to personal choice, I'll be voting for Dan. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271121-where-do-you-want-the-heresy-to-end/page/3/#findComment-3315908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 27, 2013 Author Share Posted February 27, 2013 A D-B and Dan Abnett should contribute to the end of the Heresy, but yes, Dan Abnett should finish it up. As said earlier, he started it, he should finish it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271121-where-do-you-want-the-heresy-to-end/page/3/#findComment-3315930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 The Horus Heresy deserves to go out with sweeping grandeur. Nobody in the BL team does that better than Dan Abnett. But the conclusion will need a good, personal take on the biggest players involved, namely the Primarchs and Marines. AD-B does that better than Abnett. If I want a mortal's take, like from Pius Ollanius, I'll prefer Abnett. Though both Abnett and AD-B do a lot better than other authors in the Primarch/Marine viewpoints, AD-B's has a lot more believability and relatability. Neither of which are real words, according to Chrome, but whatevs. So both better be involved. Which means it better be a duology event at the least, though a trilogy is likely. And if Abnett doesn't cap it off or AD-B's not involved somewhere down the line, I will be right disappointed. From the moment I discover it's the case to the moment I buy the book(s). Afterwards, I'll be too busy geeking out to care. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271121-where-do-you-want-the-heresy-to-end/page/3/#findComment-3316349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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