Brother Keyaetus Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Was thinking about this last night. What part of the heresy series so far made people feel bad? (Well, I'm assuming mostly those soft spined loyalists will be replying most) but topic is open to all of course! I'd say mine is never getting to hear Torgaddons joke about the bear, other than that, I enjoy every bit of treachery in the book far too much for my own good probably, makes me giddy when people get betrayed so I doubt theres much parts in the book that make me sad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 They killed Cyrene. NEVER FORGET! NEVER FORGIVE! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/#findComment-3302566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Saddest part? It's the same thing that I've found tragic long before the HH series started: The burning of Prospero. An otherwise loyal son of the Emperor is driven into the arms of a Dark God because of this event. His Legion decimated and his world consumed by the wrath of a brother, what was Magnus to do? Die and be unremembered, much like his two forgotten brothers, or run and find sanctuary to keep his own genetic legacy (for what it was worth) alive? As far as he was concerned he was doomed regardless. He may have been the most knowledgeable of all the primarchs but his hubris and his misjudgements led to his fall, when coupled with the manipulation of Leman Russ by Horus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/#findComment-3302568 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunta Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Istavan III as the virus bombs rained down, even though I knew it was going to happen the whole thing was written in such a way that I felt like I had just been kicked in the stomach. Great writing of a really sad moment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/#findComment-3302573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Saddest part? It's the same thing that I've found tragic long before the HH series started: The burning of Prospero. An otherwise loyal son of the Emperor is driven into the arms of a Dark God because of this event. His Legion decimated and his world consumed by the wrath of a brother, what was Magnus to do? Die and be unremembered, much like his two forgotten brothers, or run and find sanctuary to keep his own genetic legacy (for what it was worth) alive? As far as he was concerned he was doomed regardless. He may have been the most knowledgeable of all the primarchs but his hubris and his misjudgements led to his fall, when coupled with the manipulation of Leman Russ by Horus. +1 I was drawn to the Thousand Sons in 2nd ed because of their tragic background. It starts tragically with uncontrolled mutations, continues with the burning of prospero and all the knowledge therein. And even there it's not finished, but the mutations continue and Ahriman uses the rubric, turning the remainder of the regular battle brothers to dust. And they didn't even have a clue about what Magnus had done, the regular astartes were innoscent bystanders caught in the fires... ...so sad...all that knowledge lost. The Thousand Sons embody the saying: "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/#findComment-3302600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 The way Dan Abnett completely dismissed the previous account of the Battle for Calth. Oh, was that not the kind of "sad" you meant? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/#findComment-3302604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 The way Dan Abnett completely dismissed the previous account of the Battle for Calth. Oh, was that not the kind of "sad" you meant? Aaand here we go. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/#findComment-3302606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Saddest part? It's the same thing that I've found tragic long before the HH series started: The burning of Prospero. An otherwise loyal son of the Emperor is driven into the arms of a Dark God because of this event. His Legion decimated and his world consumed by the wrath of a brother, what was Magnus to do? Die and be unremembered, much like his two forgotten brothers, or run and find sanctuary to keep his own genetic legacy (for what it was worth) alive? As far as he was concerned he was doomed regardless. He may have been the most knowledgeable of all the primarchs but his hubris and his misjudgements led to his fall, when coupled with the manipulation of Leman Russ by Horus. +1 I was drawn to the Thousand Sons in 2nd ed because of their tragic background. It starts tragically with uncontrolled mutations, continues with the burning of prospero and all the knowledge therein. And even there it's not finished, but the mutations continue and Ahriman uses the rubric, turning the remainder of the regular battle brothers to dust. And they didn't even have a clue about what Magnus had done, the regular astartes were innoscent bystanders caught in the fires... ...so sad...all that knowledge lost. The Thousand Sons embody the saying: "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" Exactly. They were served bum deal after bum deal and yet in the end, despite all the knowledge at their hands and their apparent mastery of their own fate they were still used as pawns (arguably, they still are, considering who they pay fealty to). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/#findComment-3302607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the emperor is scottish Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Saddest moment I've probably got a few. Argel Tal meeting his end. Erebus escaping before Khârn could twist his head off. Torggadon dying at the hands of little Horus. But I think ultimately witnessing Horus slide into damnation because I really liked Horus as a character before he turned traitor. It was sad reading the legion follow him into damnation. And it was sad seeing the mornival being torn apart. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/#findComment-3302624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbero666 Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 There are a few: The burning of Prospero and Magnus realizing that he has to betray his father in order to save his sons, The death of Solomon Demeter after he is tricked by Lucius to kill some loyal ECs, The death of Torgaddon by that whiny Little Horus (I hate you), actually the death of pretty much everyone in Istvaan III, and the death of Cyrene, even when she loved that traitorous Word Bearers who deserve fire!!! (except for Argel Tal, I like him...them). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/#findComment-3302651 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMarko Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Istavan III as the virus bombs rained down, even though I knew it was going to happen the whole thing was written in such a way that I felt like I had just been kicked in the stomach. Great writing of a really sad moment. This, million times this... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/#findComment-3302717 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 After Desh'ea. That story made me feel for Angron, for Khârn, and for the War Hounds. To be as powerful as the E and see a proud warrior ,that is obviously broken, and steal his last chance at honorable death and glory. That was so wrong I can't begin to express how it makes me feel. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/#findComment-3302723 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AekoldHelbrass Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Saddest things I can think about: Space Dogs were not slaughtered to pulp by 1000 Sons. Night Haunter was too lazy to slay Corax on Isstvan V. Fulgrim's body is taken by that jerk. Prince of Crows. knowing the fate of Luther, it's kind of sad, for me he was right and Lion just behaved as a bully. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/#findComment-3302902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
overloard Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Lorgar not being killed by Corax on Instvaan. Lorgar not being killed by that Titan in Betrayer. Lorgar not being killed by WE Communion in Betrayer. Lorgar not being killed by WE Legion Master in Betrayer. Tarik getting his head cut off. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/#findComment-3302928 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimdarkness Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 The fact that the white scars salamanders and to a lesser extent Iron Hands have yet to play a part in the novels yet. Loken,s "death". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/#findComment-3302954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tjuk87 Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 I'd go for the Garro audiobook where they find Loken alive on Istavan III. The virus bombing and masacre of Istavan III was really powerful, three ridiculously likeable characters that you had become emotionally invested in (Loken, Tarvitz, Torgaddon) all died heroes deaths.... until it was all sort of ruined for me a bit by the fact that Loken survived where no one else did, I really think letting him die would have been a far better ending to Loken. in a situation where no one could have survived. It felt a little bit 'disrespectful' to the end of Galaxy in Flames which I found the most emotional part of the Heresy novels that I have read. It was one of those moments that in fiction that you know how it ends, but as you're reading it you keep trying to find a loophole to get away from the ending that you now is going to happen. That's possibly why I dislike Legion of One so much! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/#findComment-3302962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 For me too, it has to be the burning of Tizca. Even if every scrap of arcane lore Magnus thought he knew was a lie formulated by Tzeentch's pets, there was more than just magic knowledge there, and the entire culture of investigation that surrounded the Thousand Sons was lost as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/#findComment-3302981 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Battle for the Abyss being published?? Oh That type of sad. My bad. Hmmm there's just too many to pick easily since this is after all the greatest tragedy to befall the human race. I'd say it's a coin toss between the moment Magnus arrives at Terra and realizes everything he's ever done in his hubris will lead to the breaking of his Legion or when Horus is in his "death-dream" and sees a vision of the future that will happen and is broken by it, not knowing that his actions directly lead into that future Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/#findComment-3302987 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Kravin Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Tough choice!Isstvan III has so much - the deaths of Torgaddon, Loken, Tarvitz, Demeter etc. I thought that Legion of One actually backed this up. I hated the idea of them bringing Loken back. When I finished Galaxy in Flames I wanted definitive proof that he was dead. I recognised they'd left the door open for a return and I thought that would be cheapened by his return. Then I heard the fantastically written and narrated Legion of One and so the way that events had broken Loken's mind. Hearing him raving to the headless corpse of Torgaddon had a big impact on me.A Thousand Sons - the fall of Ahriman. I have less sympathy for Magnus, he was arrogant and reckless, his hubris damned his legion. Ahriman however was one of the most likable marines I've read but due to events beyond his control he lost everything dear to him and was driven to become a twisted and evil villain who was the antithesis of the great hero he had been.Sword of Truth - this is more recent so I've put spoiler tags. The murder of Captain Rakatio and his fellow loyalist Emperor's Children and although mentioned off screen the executions of the loyalist World Eaters. At least Tarvitz and co had a chance to fight with honour and die as heroes knowing their enemy, for a space marine that means a lot. Rakatio and co were shot in the back at close range by warriors they trusted without any honour. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/#findComment-3302989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morollan Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 The moment when Erebus causes the war with the Interex just as Loken is about to come to a momentous understanding with them that could have propelled the Imperium into a true Golden Age . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/#findComment-3302991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rx781a Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 When Meros became the red angel in Fear to Tread. When Eberus killed Argel Tal in Betrayer and when Khârn didnt kill Eberus in the same novel. In Promethean Sun i felt sad for Vulcan because he felt so departed from his bretheren...kinda like how initaly i felt bad for Lorgar....than hated his evil gyts...then read Betrayer and am kind of rooting for him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/#findComment-3303027 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 For anyone that may be revealing spoilers, please use the spoilers BBCode! You'll find the relevant button in the top left of the reply box (the white box thingy with blue and green in it that's third from the left). First highlight the text you want to spoiler, then click that button and run down the given menu to find the spoilers option. Select that and you're good to go. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/#findComment-3303036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter the Hermit Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 - SW not finishing 1k sons, and Magnus fleeing from execution - Corax wounded and not being able to kill Curze - Istvaan and the loyalists - Fulgrim telling Perturabo that his nose was always in the dirt - RETRIBUTION fleet who had IW pummeled (in space) retreating to defend terra Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/#findComment-3303043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badaboom Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 The moment when the remembrancer (can recall her name now) witnesses and takes a picture of the Mournival members proclaiming their Oath of Moment before two of them embark for a mission. For the reader, who knows how all this is going to end, I guess it´s one of the saddest moments, a rare glimpse of brotherhood and honor coming from Abbaddon himself. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/#findComment-3303125 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Krieg Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 The moment when Erebus causes the war with the Interex just as Loken is about to come to a momentous understanding with them that could have propelled the Imperium into a true Golden Age . This, one hundred times this. There are more epic, pronounced sad moments, but this had me going "No, no, NO!" along with the internal dialoguy of characters on both sides of the event. So much potential lost, so close to an absolutely different Imperium. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/#findComment-3303143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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