"Saddest" Moment in the Heresy

[Iron Father Ferrum]

 

 

 

The Death of Garviel Loken.  He was our narrator for the first three books in the series, and was in many ways an embodiment of everything the Emperor wanted the Astartes to be.  Of course he was an awesome soldier and great commander, but he also found his humanity before the end came thanks in large part to his regular interaction with normal humans.  He's that guy that you keep rooting for right up to his end because he think -- you know -- that somehow, he's going to make it through everything to come out on top.  And, like Ned Stark in Game of Thrones, the end comes regardless of what we the audience want to see happen.  The building collapsing on him as he bleeds out is such a pure and poignant moment. . . . and then they screwed it all up when Garro found him alive.  It completely trivialized his "death" and pissed me off to no end.

 

 

 

[AekoldHelbrass]

Sorry, completely another thread...

[Wade Garrett]

This bit from Angel Exterminatus was a bit of a body blow to me, considering how future events would play out:

 

"His betrayal had turned the last of Perturabo's heart to stone, cementing his conviction that there was only one man whose orders he could trust. One warrior who spoke without guile and with only noble intentions at his heart. From now on, he would only trust Horus Luprecal."

 

Excuse me...I have something in my eye.

[Revelation]

Fulgrim by Graham
MCneill. Ferrus Manus betrayal by the hands of his most beloved brother,
Fulgrim. Especially after the moment Ferrus Manus was going to strike his
brother Fulgrim but the demon within the Laer sword consumed and gave Fulgrim
enough strength to counter Ferrus Manus deathblow,  allowing Fulgrim to kill Ferrus Manus instead;
and seeing Fulgrim’s reaction and horror of what he had done. For me this is
the saddest moment out of all the material released for the Horus Heresy:

Fulgrim took a shuddering breath and raised his hands to the
heavens, screaming his loss at the sight of his brother so cruelly murdered:

“What have I done?” he howled. “Throne save me, what have I
done?”

It is my favorite book so far, and for me this is the only
book that been released so far that really captures the horror, sadness and betrayal
of the Horus Heresy, as well as these moments:

- Horus being lied to, tricked by the Chaos powers,
and made to think that the Emperor betrayed him.
- Seeing the real reason why Ezekyle Abaddon betrayed
the Emperor. When he saw his gene-father brought low by the sword that struck him,
and thinking that the Emperor had forsaken Horus by not being there to save
him.
- Fulgrim being tricked, lied and possessed by the
demon within the Laer sword, which led to him betraying Ferrus Manus and the
Emperor.
- Angron from the start feeling that he had been
betrayed by the Emperor the moment he was found and not knowing why the Emperor
did not help him instead of capturing him and allowing his brothers and sisters
be butchered.
- Lorgar’s devotion and true love he had for his
father being crushed in just one moment, just because he wanted his father to
know that out of all his sons he was the most loyal.
- Magnus being blindsided by his father for not being
given the chance to explain himself to him first during the council of Nikea
and Horus treachery.
- Ahriman explaining that he himself and the
Thousand Sons are still loyal to the Emperor even after the atrocities and betrayal
that had been brought upon them (Makes me want to ask if Magnus is truly a
traitor?!?).

I hope the authors of the Horus Heresy keep fleshing out the
real reason each character turns traitor, and not just having characters turn
traitor for the sake of turning traitor like Sevatar, Typhus, Mortarion and
Perturabo, etc.

 

[Tjuk87]

 

 

 

The Death of Garviel Loken.  He was our narrator for the first three books in the series, and was in many ways an embodiment of everything the Emperor wanted the Astartes to be.  Of course he was an awesome soldier and great commander, but he also found his humanity before the end came thanks in large part to his regular interaction with normal humans.  He's that guy that you keep rooting for right up to his end because he think -- you know -- that somehow, he's going to make it through everything to come out on top.  And, like Ned Stark in Game of Thrones, the end comes regardless of what we the audience want to see happen.  The building collapsing on him as he bleeds out is such a pure and poignant moment. . . . and then they screwed it all up when Garro found him alive.  It completely trivialized his "death" and pissed me off to no end.

 

 

 

 

Exactly the way I feel!

[Wade Garrett]

@Revelation

 

 

I'm guessing you haven't read Angel Exterminatus, Perturabo's reasons for siding with Horus were a bit more than him waking up one morning and announcing "Today, I shall be evil!" whilst twirling his mustache. And Sevatar and the Night Lords have some of the most fleshed out reasons for turning on the Emperor of any of the Chaos Marines.

 

True, Mortarion remains a bit of an enigma save for his stuff from Forge World, but the FW stuff is pretty good. Sic Semper Tyranis and all that.

[Trankz]

Saddest moments for me:

- The loyal Thousand Sons deciding to defend themselves wihtout Magnus at the tburning of Prospero

- The death of Argel Tal.

[EzekyleVIII]

When dom cries out for maria just before he... sniff.. oops wrong franchise..

The very end of prince of crows reminds me of the crow graphic novel.. which is filled with sadness so gets it by association

ultramarines nuking salamanders?!?! stupid smurfs

the fact that all primarchs are indeed idiots..

[Iron_Within]

Both the stories of Perturabo and Angron. One an architect and obedient son forced into hell leading to total nihilism and another a slave wishing he was dead.

 

I think the undercurrent of "this was doomed to happen" because of the big E's own hubris and arrogance; the treatment/genocide of his Thunder Warriors, his enigmatic responses and refusal to do what is best for his sons but rather let them squabble, and the opinions of the other Perpetuals being rather low of him.

He's a Warmongering megalomaniac who wears the robes of a Patrician.

[Qarassen]

 

Torggadon dying at the hands of little Horus was the hardest for me.. And when little horus really breaks appart of it makes it even harder
and Loken.. The thousand sons downfall..

And when Ferrus Manus realizes that fulgrim is lost and rather dies himself then to hurt fulgrim regardless fulgrims "insanity"..

 

[Perrin]

Saddest moments for me were, when everything went wrong with the Interax and Horus was trying desperately to fix it. 

Saddest line/moment overall though, Flight of the Eisenstein: "Horus?" It's what Dorn says when he is shown a recording of Horus being evil. Such a sad moment, everything Dorn thought he knew came crashing down around him. 

[mactire]

Angron in the short story After D'Eshaha. His whole portrayal of what a mess he is so sad, also Curze in Prince of Crows. When we know how noble and strong the primarchs can become (even the traitors pre-heresy) its almost sickening to see how far these two have fallen and to realise that they will never recover, primarchs 2 and 11 must have been some sick puppies if they were put down while these two were given legions.

[Lord Lorne Walkier]

 

 

I'd go for the Garro audiobook where they find Loken alive on Istavan III. The virus bombing and masacre of Istavan III was really powerful, three ridiculously likeable characters that you had become emotionally invested in (Loken, Tarvitz, Torgaddon) all died heroes deaths.... until it was all sort of ruined for me a bit by the fact that Loken survived where no one else did, I really think letting him die would have been a far better ending to Loken. 

 

in a situation where no one could have survived. It felt a little bit 'disrespectful' to the end of Galaxy in Flames which I found the most emotional part of the Heresy novels that I have read. It was one of those moments that in fiction that you know how it ends, but as you're reading it you keep trying to find a loophole to get away from the ending that you now is going to happen. That's possibly why I dislike Legion of One so much!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Death of Garviel Loken.  He was our narrator for the first three books in the series, and was in many ways an embodiment of everything the Emperor wanted the Astartes to be.  Of course he was an awesome soldier and great commander, but he also found his humanity before the end came thanks in large part to his regular interaction with normal humans.  He's that guy that you keep rooting for right up to his end because he think -- you know -- that somehow, he's going to make it through everything to come out on top.  And, like Ned Stark in Game of Thrones, the end comes regardless of what we the audience want to see happen.  The building collapsing on him as he bleeds out is such a pure and poignant moment. . . . and then they screwed it all up when Garro found him alive.  It completely trivialized his "death" and pissed me off to no end.

 

 

 

 

Loken was not /the/ narrator, He was one of two.  Tarvitz was the other and when he turns up again you all will have more reason to grumble i guess.  The difference between Loken/Tarvitz and Ned Stark is that there is no witness to their death.  That is one of the main reasons i knew they did not die.  That is why the scene in Fulgrim, between Lucius and Elidion, is so important.  Lucius is asked if he is SURE they are dead and he says he is not but they MUST be. 

 

"You saw him die?'  asked Eidolon. 

Lucius shook his head.  'No but i saw what was left of the palace.  Nothing could have lived through that.  Tarvitz is dead and so are Loken and they smug bastard Torgaddon"

 

We know Torgaddon is dead... like Ned Stark,  his head was taken and witnessed.  There are only a few Dramatis Personae, who people think are dead but have not been witnessed (As far as i can find).  Saul Tarvits, Nero Vipus and M'hotep.  there may be a few others but i cant think of them.  I really feel that if you make the list of Dramatis Personae then you deserve a on screen death.  If you don't get it then you are most likely not dead.

 

I wonder why no one complains about  how Maloghurst 'the Twisted', turns up alive after getting blown out of orbit?

 

 

 

For me the saddest moment was in Fulgrim.  When Ancient Rylanor walked onto the roof of the palace He lookes up in silence as the Virus bombs were deployed.  It was a short scene but it got to me.

[daveNYC]

The Interax was pretty harsh.  For a few seconds you could see how things could have taken a better path, and for a flash of a second they managed to get me to think that that's where things were actually going.  Which is pretty good writing considering the name of the series is the Horus Heresy.

[A D-B]

When even Rukhsana turns out to be an agent. Of all people.

 

Poor John.

[Apothecary Vaddon]

Everything to do with Magnus up to the point where he takes his Legion into the Eye. After that he just sucks, and Ahriman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Magnus from that point onwards.

[Kol Saresk]

The death of Argel Tal. I actually liked that guy.

[spu00sed]

For me it was the simple scene when Sanguinius is holding the helmet of one of his dead sons, you can tell he truly cares about them.

[Brannick]

When Ehrlen of the World Eaters faces down Angron and his traitorous brothers so that Saul Tarvitz can seek refuge at Isstvan. What a legend Ehrlen is.

[Angrypantz]

Argel Tal. His death was a real kick in the balls and came so completely out of the blue for me.

(The kick to the balls is an emotional one that voided all feelings as opposed to ADB being a total douche taking away my favourite character )

[Smirnov]

If you're asking about emotions, then it's the fight with Interex at the end of Horus Rising. Then the last moment of clarity and sanity for Horus before he falls in False Gods.

[Ironmonger]

The last conversation between the Emperor and the pschyker  in "Outcast Dead". It was sad when I read it but when I heard it in the audio book, It was breath taking. " Sometimes winning is not letting your opponent win", there are many instances of sadness in the whole Horus Heresy, but this instance depicts a weary Emperor who perhaps has realized that he has made mistakes and now is looking for the best or "less worse" solution.  

[Augustus]

I like yours Ironmonger. "But you're going to die."...."I know" 

 

I think a part everyone wants Tarvitz Loken and Torg to have lived. But by having died they become true heroes. Except Loken...

[Molloch]

Angron hearing that he 'ran away' upon slamming into the palace and scaring the pants of all the decadent aristocrats. And the spine-tingling order to 'kill everyone in this city. The kill everyone on this world.'

[Qarassen]

 

 

 

The Death of Garviel Loken.  He was our narrator for the first three books in the series, and was in many ways an embodiment of everything the Emperor wanted the Astartes to be.  Of course he was an awesome soldier and great commander, but he also found his humanity before the end came thanks in large part to his regular interaction with normal humans.  He's that guy that you keep rooting for right up to his end because he think -- you know -- that somehow, he's going to make it through everything to come out on top.  And, like Ned Stark in Game of Thrones, the end comes regardless of what we the audience want to see happen.  The building collapsing on him as he bleeds out is such a pure and poignant moment. . . . and then they screwed it all up when Garro found him alive.  It completely trivialized his "death" and pissed me off to no end.

 

 

 

He is not dead? Garro found him.