Kol Saresk Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 The Death of Garviel Loken. He was our narrator for the first three books in the series, and was in many ways an embodiment of everything the Emperor wanted the Astartes to be. Of course he was an awesome soldier and great commander, but he also found his humanity before the end came thanks in large part to his regular interaction with normal humans. He's that guy that you keep rooting for right up to his end because he think -- you know -- that somehow, he's going to make it through everything to come out on top. And, like Ned Stark in Game of Thrones, the end comes regardless of what we the audience want to see happen. The building collapsing on him as he bleeds out is such a pure and poignant moment. . . . and then they screwed it all up when Garro found him alive. It completely trivialized his "death" and pissed me off to no end. He is not dead? Garro found him.Somehow, that only makes it worse. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/page/3/#findComment-3308997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Bretton Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 the part in know no fear where guilliman finally realises just what his brother has done, that it isn't an accident, and that everything he, his brothers and their father have worked so hard to build is about to come crashing down around them. also in KnF where the 2 captains meet, word bearers and ultramarines and the word bearer tries so hard to explain to his friend what he about to do before he puts a plasma bolt through his chest i also hate how much it saddens me when some of the traitor characters die or have their heart ripped out, like argel tal killing his friend aquillon then getting killed or Khârn having his best friend taken away. these guys are traitors but i still really like them! there are so many sad moments that you can't really pick them all out. I think that is good though because war is full of those sort of things, this series sort of emphasises the impact that a war has on those who are fighting it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/page/3/#findComment-3309000 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 The Death of Garviel Loken. He was our narrator for the first three books in the series, and was in many ways an embodiment of everything the Emperor wanted the Astartes to be. Of course he was an awesome soldier and great commander, but he also found his humanity before the end came thanks in large part to his regular interaction with normal humans. He's that guy that you keep rooting for right up to his end because he think -- you know -- that somehow, he's going to make it through everything to come out on top. And, like Ned Stark in Game of Thrones, the end comes regardless of what we the audience want to see happen. The building collapsing on him as he bleeds out is such a pure and poignant moment. . . . and then they screwed it all up when Garro found him alive. It completely trivialized his "death" and pissed me off to no end. He is not dead? Garro found him.Somehow, that only makes it worse. I agree. Being left for dead, alone, for years on a daemon infested/ virus bombed would /totally/ suck. Cursed with immortality on a death world would be hell. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/page/3/#findComment-3309606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Cursed with immortality on a death world would be hell. Uh... marines aren't immortal. :huh: However, living for the rest of his life in the same situation would be equally sucky. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/page/3/#findComment-3309617 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 The Death of Garviel Loken. He was our narrator for the first three books in the series, and was in many ways an embodiment of everything the Emperor wanted the Astartes to be. Of course he was an awesome soldier and great commander, but he also found his humanity before the end came thanks in large part to his regular interaction with normal humans. He's that guy that you keep rooting for right up to his end because he think -- you know -- that somehow, he's going to make it through everything to come out on top. And, like Ned Stark in Game of Thrones, the end comes regardless of what we the audience want to see happen. The building collapsing on him as he bleeds out is such a pure and poignant moment. . . . and then they screwed it all up when Garro found him alive. It completely trivialized his "death" and pissed me off to no end. He is not dead? Garro found him. Apparently you missed the part where I said that they found him alive. . . and how much that pissed me off. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/page/3/#findComment-3309896 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMarko Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 The Death of Garviel Loken. He was our narrator for the first three books in the series, and was in many ways an embodiment of everything the Emperor wanted the Astartes to be. Of course he was an awesome soldier and great commander, but he also found his humanity before the end came thanks in large part to his regular interaction with normal humans. He's that guy that you keep rooting for right up to his end because he think -- you know -- that somehow, he's going to make it through everything to come out on top. And, like Ned Stark in Game of Thrones, the end comes regardless of what we the audience want to see happen. The building collapsing on him as he bleeds out is such a pure and poignant moment. . . . and then they screwed it all up when Garro found him alive. It completely trivialized his "death" and pissed me off to no end. He is not dead? Garro found him. Apparently you missed the part where I said that they found him alive. . . and how much that pissed me off. Seconded.... But admit -after "galaxy in flames" part of you wished that he managed to survive somehow :-), and when he did, IT SUCKED BIG TIME..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/page/3/#findComment-3310267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 I think that one of the saddest moments is when Garro is thinking about all that is about to spark the heresy as Tarvitz descends towards Istvaan and realizes that there's nothing else he can do for the loyalists on the planet below. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/page/3/#findComment-3310398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Cursed with immortality on a death world would be hell. Uh... marines aren't immortal. However, living for the rest of his life in the same situation would be equally sucky. I think you are right for the most part. Loken however is special/ cursed. He calls himself the "undying". After surviving the war and some suicide attempts. As much as he yearns for the "Peace of the grave" he can not die. Sucks for him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/page/3/#findComment-3310426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain ChonkE Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Loken dying hit me. The suicide of thousands of people at the announcement that the Emperor's son, Horus, had betrayed the Empire was a small blurb but it made me think about how the world and the galaxy started spinning in reverse that day. Ollanius Persson refuting Horus on the last day knowing him to be the personification of all that is evil in the universe and then looking to see a dying glow and knowing how deep that evil truly went. Sergeant Tagore "Rip out your spine!" Slaughter being killed by the Last Samurai and a plasma gun kind of miffed me too. I liked that guy. No Andrej (From ADB's Helsreach) in the HH series. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/page/3/#findComment-3310446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCommanderSamirus Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 In Prospero Burns. The part when Leman Russ is attempting to talk to Magnus through Admad ibn Rustah (who he has been misled into thinking is a psychic conduit of some sort to the Thousand Sons). He's imploring him as one brother to another, despite all the animosity between them, to stand down and surrender peacefully. Knowing that Ingrethel is the one watching through ibn Rustah not Magnus is almost heartbreaking. -Samirus Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/page/3/#findComment-3310686 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legionator Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Where Rogal Dorn learns the Heresy but can't weep for Horus' betrayal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/page/3/#findComment-3312029 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuclearship Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 Huron-Fal holdig Demeter in his arms and explode in the virus bombs. Tarvitz and loyalists waiting for the final bombardment Tarvitz and Garros last conversation before departing - we will meet again, brother! Thousand Sons got raized (how the individual characters got down hurting me every page I turned) Argel Tal says sorry to the Raven Guard captain before shooting on them at Istvaan Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/page/3/#findComment-3312942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snejk Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 They killed Cyrene. NEVER FORGET! NEVER FORGIVE! Yes, this was so sad. I damn near cried. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/page/3/#findComment-3313040 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rime Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 There are a few moments in the series. One I'd pick out would be in Fulgrim. For an artist too mad, and too late, to realize someone loved her deeply. Only in death did embrace him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/page/3/#findComment-3313471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus Imperator Vult Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 The description of the Death Guard Captain dying of the virus bombs. The moment when he goes to speak but his tongue and lips are eroding as he tries. The moment Little Horus says '... I'm sorry' When Posessed or just traitor Fulgrim (I don't remember.) slowly kills Lord Commander Vespasian when he tries to talk to his Primarch about the changes he's making to the Legion's Ideals. The Thousand son who is trapped in the burning library when the angry Wolf Captain finds him. Curze stopping Corax from gutting Lorgar... Corax not recognising Omegeron on Deliverance and spitting his head on his claws. (I'm not being sarcastic that bit was actually one of the sadder moments for me because I felt it undermined the entirety of the Raven Guards story.) And the death of the Castodians on Cadia (where they Impale him because he trys to show Lorgar what a +must not swear on the forum+ a blind fool he is being) and the other in Sword of Truth... yes he wasn't the most likeable of characters but the way he and the loyal EC's are killed just felt tragic to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/page/3/#findComment-3313618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 I think that one of the saddest parts of the saddest battle(prospero) is when and how Phosis T'kar, Khalophis, Phael Toron amongst others realize the nature of their tutelaries and their powers just before they die. A betrayal of trust there too... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/page/3/#findComment-3313722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
facmanpob Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 For me, its the fact that you learn in the opening sequence of the first book that the one person who could have kept Horus on the straight and narrow, Sejanus, has been killed at the hands of some random splinter group of humanity. Loken, Sejanus' replacement in the Mournival, just didn't have the weight of character at the time nor the years of respect and friendship with Horus to have the same influence on events. For me, the whole heresy could have been avoided if Horus had sent some other Captain to parlay on 63-19. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/page/3/#findComment-3313800 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WatchCaptainAzrael Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 None. They all got what they deserved. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/page/3/#findComment-3314056 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 None. They all got what they deserved. Who got what they deserved? ...and I disagree, many of the ones that "fell" did so because it felt like the right thing to do, not because "heck, I'll just be evil from now on"... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/page/3/#findComment-3314065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 This is the second time I've seen it mentioned that Hastur Sejanus surviving would have somehow derailed the Heresy. I thought I was keeping fairly up to date with the Heresy novels and short stories, but I've seen nothing that suggests Sejanus would have been more effective in stopping the fall of the Luna Wolves into damnation than Loken and Tarik were. Am I missing something here? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/page/3/#findComment-3314114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus Imperator Vult Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 This is the second time I've seen it mentioned that Hastur Sejanus surviving would have somehow derailed the Heresy. I thought I was keeping fairly up to date with the Heresy novels and short stories, but I've seen nothing that suggests Sejanus would have been more effective in stopping the fall of the Luna Wolves into damnation than Loken and Tarik were. Am I missing something here? Only that Sejanus had more pull over Horus than Abbadon or any of the others did so he would have been able to, had he been aware of it in time, point out to Horus that Erebus was a snake. I've not read Horus Rising in a long time but as I remember it Erebus only gets a foothold in the Warmasters court because Horus was stressed out with leading and felt he had no one he could talk to. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/page/3/#findComment-3314190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbero666 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 This is the second time I've seen it mentioned that Hastur Sejanus surviving would have somehow derailed the Heresy. I thought I was keeping fairly up to date with the Heresy novels and short stories, but I've seen nothing that suggests Sejanus would have been more effective in stopping the fall of the Luna Wolves into damnation than Loken and Tarik were. Am I missing something here? Only that Sejanus had more pull over Horus than Abbadon or any of the others did so he would have been able to, had he been aware of it in time, point out to Horus that Erebus was a snake. I've not read Horus Rising in a long time but as I remember it Erebus only gets a foothold in the Warmasters court because Horus was stressed out with leading and felt he had no one he could talk to. Indeed Erebus took the form of Sejanus to convince Horus while he was in coma, so Sejanus was capable enough to stop Horus from becoming a (insert insult here) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/page/3/#findComment-3314292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ambroz Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 I actually didn't know Argel Tal died. Haven't read Betrayer. Anyway I think the saddest part is definitely Torgaddon's (spelling?) death. It was also pretty lame they brought Loken back...was such a perfect end and then they did that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/page/3/#findComment-3314313 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Bretton Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 whats to say sejanus wouldn't have fallen to chaos as well? in prospero burns when ahriman is having a mental duel with the space wolves rune priest, he gets to the point where he has the priest at his mercy and can put all the knowledge of events into his head so he understands why all of this has happened, but ahriman realises that no matter what, the battle is past the point of no return and his legion is doomed so he instead decides to destroy the one person outside the thousand sons who could be counted as his friend Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/page/3/#findComment-3314738 Share on other sites More sharing options...
facmanpob Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 whats to say sejanus wouldn't have fallen to chaos as well? Well, Sejanus is described as having perfectly balanced humours and being, in essence, the perfect Marine. So, essentially, he is set up to be the incorruptible face of the Astartes, hence why Erebus assumes his form. Erebus knows that Horus will believe that Sejanus must be telling him the truth, and will therefore follow, even if it leads down a dark path. The whole plot device of Erebus using Sejanus' form to corrupt Horus doesn't work very well if Sejanus isn't incorruptible himself. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/page/3/#findComment-3314763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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