Marshall Bretton Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 lol fair enough, i had forgotten that bit about him hehe Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/page/4/#findComment-3314766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Not really. All it means is that Horus held Sejanus in high regard, so his appearance would be a useful tool in manipulating Luprecal. His susceptibility to the wiles of Chaos had nothing to do with it. As for him being a Kaldor Draigo style "Perfect Astartes", the only thing I can say is "Huh?" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/page/4/#findComment-3315913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttoVonAwesome Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 To Tjuk87: Others survived in the HH forgeworld book Betrayal remnants of the death guard I believed went on to take vengance against the traitors even after the events on Istvaan III. But anyway my vote is the fact that Abbadon was not slain by Loken as the rules would suggest would happen 9/10 times and Torgaddons and Aximands disclusion from the death of Istvaan III campaign as special characters and to a lesser extent Eidolon. Also would love to see a miniature of Eidolon post decapitation and freaky ressurection. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/page/4/#findComment-3315943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Man I Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 For me the one that really sticks with me is when the virus bombs ar raining down, it was a Death Guard Dread (I think...I dont have the book with me) holding his dying battle brother when he relizes his armor is cracked and he will die just like all the others. He then says something to the effect of "We are the Death Guard. We will not die like this" and overloads his reactor. The whole sequence leading up to that was just awesome. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/page/4/#findComment-3316718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus Imperator Vult Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 For me the one that really sticks with me is when the virus bombs ar raining down, it was a Death Guard Dread (I think...I dont have the book with me) holding his dying battle brother when he relizes his armor is cracked and he will die just like all the others. He then says something to the effect of "We are the Death Guard. We will not die like this" and overloads his reactor. The whole sequence leading up to that was just awesome. I agree it's a Death Guard dreadnaught and the wounded Captain if I remember properly. There's the discription of the Captain trying to yell but his lips and tongue are melting. It's a really powerful scene. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/page/4/#findComment-3316776 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Bretton Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 yes that was a rather poignant moment personally i think i would have done the same and blown myself up rather than be killed by a virus bomb launched by men i thought were brothers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/page/4/#findComment-3316780 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ambroz Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 That was in Galaxy in Flames right? I don't remember that part. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/page/4/#findComment-3317122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Yep either that or flight of the eisenstein... They said something to the effect of by this death we deny you victory when Huron fal self destructs Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/page/4/#findComment-3317272 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[TA]Typher Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 I think the Saddest part of the HH was the lackluster, subhuman portrayal of Ferrus Mannus in Fulgrim. Reading the book I see no sign of a super human genius that he's suppose to be. He comes off as slow and boorish, with a intelligence that come in second to a Ogryn. Nothing in the book shows the Primarch of the Iron Hands in a positive light. I find that sad, because I think he was (or should have been) an interesting fellow. I frowned all the way through the book as not one of Fulgrims captains died, but the Irons hands fell like left and right. It was like watching a professional football team playing a high school team. Deliverance Lost has a similar take on Corax. Not only is He dull and uninvolved in the remaining troops in his Legion but in his home planet. You are telling me that a Primarch couldn't tell the differences in one of his Captains from that of an imposter? It would be one thing for the spy to replace some rank and file nobody that Corax might not have ever met, but on of his Captains? I found it a hard pill to swallow. Couple that with a uprising on his planet that he had no clue was about to happen really tells me that he was either oblivious to his surroundings or some sort of brain damaged being like Ferrus apparently was. the fact that they made Corax seemingly brilliant during his ordeal in the maze/Laboratory only made me more upset as I found it hard to believe how one primarch could be so smart and so stupid at the same time. It's like he's dustin Hoffman in Rainman. Now compare him to Omegon, who comes off as completely brilliant, and you have another brokenly written Primarch. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/page/4/#findComment-3325170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus Imperator Vult Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 I think the Saddest part of the HH was the lackluster, subhuman portrayal of Ferrus Mannus in Fulgrim. Reading the book I see no sign of a super human genius that he's suppose to be. He comes off as slow and boorish, with a intelligence that come in second to a Ogryn. Nothing in the book shows the Primarch of the Iron Hands in a positive light. I find that sad, because I think he was (or should have been) an interesting fellow. I frowned all the way through the book as not one of Fulgrims captains died, but the Irons hands fell like left and right. It was like watching a professional football team playing a high school team. Deliverance Lost has a similar take on Corax. Not only is He dull and uninvolved in the remaining troops in his Legion but in his home planet. You are telling me that a Primarch couldn't tell the differences in one of his Captains from that of an imposter? It would be one thing for the spy to replace some rank and file nobody that Corax might not have ever met, but on of his Captains? I found it a hard pill to swallow. Couple that with a uprising on his planet that he had no clue was about to happen really tells me that he was either oblivious to his surroundings or some sort of brain damaged being like Ferrus apparently was. the fact that they made Corax seemingly brilliant during his ordeal in the maze/Laboratory only made me more upset as I found it hard to believe how one primarch could be so smart and so stupid at the same time. It's like he's dustin Hoffman in Rainman. Now compare him to Omegon, who comes off as completely brilliant, and you have another brokenly written Primarch. I totally agree brother! I loved Ravens Flight and I felt like the way Corax was written in Deliverance Lost completely underminded how awesome he was. Now, okay, I admit it would have been a dull read if Corax had immediatly rooted out all the Alphas and spaced them BUT that whole scene in the end where Omegeron is saying how easy it would be to kill Corax but that would be too easy etc I was just like... oh so Corax is useless then. The same with the Iron Hands Mannus fought okay but, as awesome as, Gabrial Santar was he went down far too easily. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/page/4/#findComment-3325188 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter the Hermit Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 I don't know if I said that already but when Fulgrim tells Perturabo that his face was always in the mud I felt really sorry for him.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/page/4/#findComment-3325194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethrion Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 There are lots of sad moments throughout the series but for me the one that keeps resurfacing time and again are the flashbacks and references to the 'lost' times when humanity, the primarchs and the Emperor were united in purpose. When anything seemed possible and everyone was full of hope. It's the fact that they came so close and it was going to be so perfect that makes it all the worse as it comes crashing down and becomes corrupted. Fresh in my mind to highlight this is when Perturabo looks back occasionally...those moments were sad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/page/4/#findComment-3325322 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Mk.231 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Saddest part of the Heresy? That it fails. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/page/4/#findComment-3325397 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NemFX Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Saddest personally? Probably in Fulgrim when the two artists are both dead (one was stabbed by Fulgrim's sword, the other committed suicide by throwing themself on top) and pinned to a perfect recreation of the Emperor (in flawless white marble, originally for the Emperor's palace) by one of Fulgrim's swords, which got lodged in the statue. It's just such a sad and detailed scene that it's haunting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271123-saddest-moment-in-the-heresy/page/4/#findComment-3325564 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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