Dhx711 Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 I'm having a bit of trouble in determining what mode of movement a DS stormraven is using on the turn it deepstrikes. Is it specified somewhere or is it the owning players choice? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271183-ba-stormraven-deep-striking/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkGuard Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 As flyers cannot inherently deep strike, and must enter play by normal reserve, then I'd say it's hovering. No FAQ on it though, sadly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271183-ba-stormraven-deep-striking/#findComment-3303438 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 I'm having a bit of trouble in determining what mode of movement a DS stormraven is using on the turn it deepstrikes. Is it specified somewhere or is it the owning players choice? A Flyer with the Hover type must declare which mode of movement it is using at the start of its Movement phase, this means a Hover Flyer deploying from Reserves must declare this before being placed on the table. (BRB, pg.81). A Deep Striking Vehicle counts as moving at Cruising speed when it deploys by Deep Strike, and does not move any further that turn (BRB, pg.36). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271183-ba-stormraven-deep-striking/#findComment-3303442 Share on other sites More sharing options...
company veteran Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 can it not deepstrike then zoom? i always assumed it could. and if i had taken the time to read the post above i wouldnt have had to write this.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271183-ba-stormraven-deep-striking/#findComment-3303486 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Seeing as a flyer has to move a little or be destroyed, Id say that all deep striking flyers are hovering since every flyer capable of deep striking has hover. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271183-ba-stormraven-deep-striking/#findComment-3303657 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morollan Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Seeing as a flyer has to move a little or be destroyed, Id say that all deep striking flyers are hovering since every flyer capable of deep striking has hover. Not a problem. Deep Striking vehicles count as having moved a cruising speed, which, for a zooming flyer, is >18" so they won't crash even if they enter in zoom mode. And page 81 clearly says that you can choose which mode to enter the board in. A Flyer with the Hover type must declare whether it is going to Zoom or Hover before it moves each Movement phase. This means that, if the Flyer arrives from reserve, you must declare which type of rnovement it is using before placing it on the board. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271183-ba-stormraven-deep-striking/#findComment-3303759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Seeing as a flyer has to move a little or be destroyed, Id say that all deep striking flyers are hovering since every flyer capable of deep striking has hover. Not a problem. Deep Striking vehicles count as having moved a cruising speed, which, for a zooming flyer, is >18" so they won't crash even if they enter in zoom mode. And page 81 clearly says that you can choose which mode to enter the board in. > A Flyer with the Hover type must declare whether it is going to Zoom or Hover before it moves each Movement phase. This means that, if the Flyer arrives from reserve, you must declare which type of rnovement it is using before placing it on the board. I dont see anything in the book that says moving at a particular speed means you moved a particular distance. Its a subtle but very important difference from moving a particular distance means you moved a particular speed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271183-ba-stormraven-deep-striking/#findComment-3304414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 GM, don't start the 'counts-as' doesn't mean 'counts-as' arguement again. ;) If you count as movings Cruising Speed, and Cruiding Speed is 18" (to 36", can't remember), then you count as having moved 18" in distance. And therefore won't crash. And Vulkans Gauntlet is a Heavy Flamer. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271183-ba-stormraven-deep-striking/#findComment-3304603 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 I simply disagree in this case. Cruising speed isnt an exact number, a heavy flamer is very specific. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271183-ba-stormraven-deep-striking/#findComment-3304634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morollan Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 I simply disagree in this case. Cruising speed isnt an exact number, a heavy flamer is very specific. It doesn't need to be an exact number. It just needs to be 18" or more. If a Zooming Flyer is forced to move less than 18" in its own Movernent phase, it is automatically wrecked. The Deep Strike rules specifically tell us Vehicles, except for Walkers, count as having moved at Cruising Speed The Flyer rules specifically tell us If a Flyer Zooms, it has a combat speed of 18" and a cruising speed of 36" So, putting it all together we are specifically told that a Deep Striking Flyer in Zoom mode counts as having moved more than 18" and therefore is not wrecked. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271183-ba-stormraven-deep-striking/#findComment-3304639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
company veteran Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 i wouldnt worry about it now...you cant deep strike it anymore. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271183-ba-stormraven-deep-striking/#findComment-3306386 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Whyever not? Some silly supliment? Codex > Supliment, and my Codex states my Stormraven has the Deep Strike ability. Edit: Ah, it's the new FAQs that have removed DS from Stormravens. /meh Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271183-ba-stormraven-deep-striking/#findComment-3306582 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dhx711 Posted February 16, 2013 Author Share Posted February 16, 2013 Wow. I can understand GW's business need to sell models so they give our toys to C:SM but to then also limit the way can use those toys by removing DS is a piss poor decision. Seems like they are just trying to piss thier customer base off. It's worked and as far as I'm conserned anyone that had a part in removing DS can suck on the business end of an assualt cannon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271183-ba-stormraven-deep-striking/#findComment-3306593 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyanamiKun Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 To me the Deep Strike on Flyers was a left over from 5th and now they get around to reevaluate flyer rules and remember to remove it from all flyers. Or did they miss some? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271183-ba-stormraven-deep-striking/#findComment-3306653 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 To me the Deep Strike on Flyers was a left over from 5th and now they get around to reevaluate flyer rules and remember to remove it from all flyers. Or did they miss some? Per the new FAQ, looks like GW finally got around to removing DS from all flyers. Guess this thread is now completed. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271183-ba-stormraven-deep-striking/#findComment-3306786 Share on other sites More sharing options...
klisof Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Looks like it's still a valid question if you are using any FW fliers. Which is just the Caestus for BA as the T'hawk does not have DS and the BA can't take Storm Eagles. FW posted this on their facebooks page today: (link: https://www.facebook.com/ForgeWorldUK?ref=stream) "With Death from the Skies now on sale, and with thanks to numerous posts on our wall, consider this an official FAQ:The rules don't overlap onto Imperial Armour Aeronautica. Any of our flyers that list Deep Strike among their special rules can still Deep Strike.Stormravens cannot carry Contemptors.Storm Eagles aren't available to Blood Angels. There's a price for refusing to reveal STC data.Meanwhile, here's some nicely painted flyers.https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152580938950377&set=o.257094630974491&type=3&theater " Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271183-ba-stormraven-deep-striking/#findComment-3308513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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