Stormravens are now HS options?

[Sothalor]

With the advent of the Death from the Skies supplement, has anybody noticed on the GW website that the Stormraven is now in the Heavy Support section? What do you guys think? A mistake on the part of the website, or an indicator of some of the changes in Death from the Skies? If the Stormraven is now Heavy Support, how do you think that affects GK lists, especially having to compete with Dreadknights or even TL Autocannon Dreads?

[Aqui]

With the advent of the Death from the Skies supplement, has anybody noticed on the GW website that the Stormraven is now in the Heavy Support section? What do you guys think? A mistake on the part of the website, or an indicator of some of the changes in Death from the Skies? If the Stormraven is now Heavy Support, how do you think that affects GK lists, especially having to compete with Dreadknights or even TL Autocannon Dreads?

 

It's Heavy Support for every army that can take them (BA, GK and now Codex Space Marines/Black Templars), just checked the website.  DA and Space Wolves don't have them.

[PaganLinuxGeek]

Excellent it won't consume a fast attack slot, and that means stormtalons can escort it onto board. I wish we had a sneak preview of the rules. I've mine ready for tomorrows game...

[ShottyScotty]

I don't think talons are in the GK book.... Are they? Otherwise the only other fast attack is intercepters, and they are an overpriced suicide squad at best

[Jetmad]

I don't think it moves the Storm Raven to the HS from FA for the GK. The upgraded rules means that they changed the unit type to Flyer as in the main rulebook and maybe the affected rule (Shadow skies) are rewritten to conform with this change.

 

This is how I read it.

 

Daniel

[Inquisitor Fox]

Up until they do an official Errata for the Grey Knight Codex, in our book it still says Fast Attack.  Either the supplement has to specify that it's now Heavy Support, or they have to Errata our Codex.  That being said, does it really affect us that much?  Lets be honest here, we could swap Dreads to elites if we really want to drop them on people's heads via Storm Raven.  We have the ability to take two force org charts if need be for large games, and all of our units are so expensive to start with.  Were we really taking 3 Dreadnoughts/Dreadknights AND Storm Ravens?  We certainly weren't taking Storm Ravens and Land Raiders both...

 

I'm more worried about how it affects Planetstrike than anything else :)

[IndigoJack]

I really hope this isn't true, as it would seriously hurt my adepticon team tournament team since 3/4 of us took both a SR and a psylfedread and only one player gets to use 2 HS slots. My gut instinct though is telling me this is probably a mistake, since the only evidence of it so far is that the SR was moved to the heavy support section of the GK product page and that would leave or fast attack with interceptors and... more interceptors.

[Gentlemanloser]

And we go back to the old 'dex with just a single Fast slot choice.  Teleport Attack Squads, HOOOO!!!!!!

 

:/

[boreas]

While I don't use SR that much, moving it to HS is rather weird... Oh, well, like others, I'll wait to see the supplement. What I find sad, though, is that while other codexes get to use our SR, we don't get access to the ST. Why is it that FW and GW feel such a need to exclude GKs from new units? Fortunately, my gaming group is very open to letting me use a contemptor (and in the single tourney I attend, I use it as a psyfleman) and other similar units.

[Aqui]

Up until they do an official Errata for the Grey Knight Codex, in our book it still says Fast Attack. Either the supplement has to specify that it's now Heavy Support, or they have to Errata our Codex. That being said, does it really affect us that much? Lets be honest here, we could swap Dreads to elites if we really want to drop them on people's heads via Storm Raven. We have the ability to take two force org charts if need be for large games, and all of our units are so expensive to start with. Were we really taking 3 Dreadnoughts/Dreadknights AND Storm Ravens? We certainly weren't taking Storm Ravens and Land Raiders both...

I'm more worried about how it affects Planetstrike than anything else

New Errata/FAQ for GK: https://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m3030014a_Grey_Knights_v1.3_FEBRUARY13.pdf

[ShottyScotty]

So, still fast attack?

[Inquisitor Fox]

Looking that way unless someone provides me with a page number from the new book that says where it becomes heavy support ;)

[Gentlemanloser]

Ah so it's the FAQ that has removed Deep Strike from our SR.

 

Edit:

 

I also like how the unltra secret SR (check out Codex!) is now in the hands of *every* Marine chapter.  Bar the Wolves.

 

In that case, can I haz Drop Pods, Storm Shields, Ironclads, and the StormTalon now please?

[number6]

How dumb is it that the stormraven can go to every marine army (but wolves)? So much for the fluff written in both the BA and GK codexes. :down:

 

I guess GW has a lot of stormraven kits that aren't selling fast enough. Either that, or Marine players are whinier than ever.

 

It is worth noting that these rules are English-only, and largely for direct order and not for sale in stores, and also only occasionally reprinted in limited quantities. This greatly limits availability, and almost puts the book in the same boat as optional expansions like Planetstrike. If GW truly thought this book was important it'd be translated and easier to obtain.

 

Codexes as still rule.

 

I do wonder, though: what kind of missiles do the non-BA and non-GK ravens get? I have no intention of buying the book to find out! :lol:

[Gentlemanloser]

Number 6, check the new FAQs. The new BRB FAQ gives the Stormraven (as printed in the BRB) to Marines and BT.

So it's not really limited.

Edit: And BTs have been gfted the Talon. Guess who's not getting a new Codex any time soon...

Sorry guys.

[Reclusiarch Darius]

So after reading the new FAQ...nothing really changed? Cool

 

None of us were derpstriking the Raven right? The FAQ also fixes 'Shadow Skies' (it is now 'Skies of Death', ooh yeah!), just clarifying you can choose to drop like before if it moved more than 12" (doesn't say a maximum, so it is obviously intended to mean 'in case you aren't in Hover Mode, yeah you can still leap out of the hatches'). 

 

Ignore GW product pages. Firstly because they are often wrong about unit slots. Secondly, because buying from GW directly in 2013 is like setting fire to your money. 

 

Raven is FA until they pry it from my cold, dead hands. If they make it Heavy, I want Bloodstrike missiles but renamed (maybe...'Knightstrikes'?). FA is for 'I go real fast and maybe kill stuff' units, Heavy is for 'I kill things consistently'. 

[jeffersonian000]

I've been deep striking my Stormraven for the past few months, but I guess that tactic is now dead.  Oh well.

 

SJ

[Reclusiarch Darius]

On the plus side, now you can use Flyer rules and drop stuff off the turn you arrive. Deepstrike was always a big risk anyway. 

[jeffersonian000]

Well, it seems like any other issues we might have will be FAQ'd in next month's round of poorly worded answers to questions no one actually asked, resulting in yet more debate on how to play the game.  Cheers!

 

SJ

[PaganLinuxGeek]

So troops / termies / dreddies can disembark from the stormraven MIDFLIGHT as long as it's moved at least 12" during the movement phase? For example. I can move a stormraven onto board from my table edge up to 36" the embarked units can jump out mid flight on the same turn?

[Gentlemanloser]

Always could...

 

Sadly, Interceptors scatter now. :/

 

Thanks again GW!

[Reclusiarch Darius]

 

Sadly, Interceptors scatter now. :/

I don't even...urgh, at some point they'll FAQ things properly. Until then, ignore ignore ignore. 

[Zeratul29]

GW, why you no do stuff right?/? and since i don't have that book, and its limited, i won't follow those rules

[IndigoJack]

GW, why you no do stuff right?/? and since i don't have that book, and its limited, i won't follow those rules

Every change in DtfS that's relevant to the GK stormraven is in the FAQ, so there's no need to get the book, the rules are provided to you free of charge.

[Gentlemanloser]

It's in the GK FAQ, sadly.

 

So we have to use it.

 

 

Page 37/93 – Stormraven Gunships, Shadow Skies.
Replace this rule with the following:
Skies of Fury: If the Stormraven has moved more than 6",
passengers can still disembark, but they must do so as follows:
Nominate any point over which the Stormraven moved that
turn and deploy the squad as if it were deep striking onto that
point. If the unit scatters, every disembarking model must
immediately take a Dangerous Terrain test. ** If any of the
models cannot be deployed, the entire unit is destroyed, as per
a Terrible Accident result on the Deep Strike Mishap table.
Models that disembark using the Skies of Fury special rule
cannot charge in the turn that they do so.

 

Notably lacking this from the Shadowied Skies rule; (Which should be where ** is above)

 

 

Models with personal teleporters can make an incredibly precise descent - they do not take Dangerous Terrain tests (unless they land in Dangerous Terrain), and they do not scatter.