N777ATH Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 So now that codex marines and black Templar have access to storm raven and storm talon that leaves us as the only marines with no flyer... So is there a wolf specific flyer on the way do we think? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271402-death-from-the-skies/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rift Blade Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 It would be nice. I'm currently converting a Storm Eagle but would like to see a GW flyer for Wolves for those Tournies thst don't allow Forge World. Thankfully in my area that's becoming less of a problem as time goes on. But it still would be nice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271402-death-from-the-skies/#findComment-3306694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfebane Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 I think we're destined to retain allies, or just cling to the ground as Russ intended and have AA capabilities. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271402-death-from-the-skies/#findComment-3306750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 1) that "Russ intended" thing is (from what I cna remember) a single sentence in the 3rd edition pamphlet. there was no mention of such nonsense in the 2nd ed wolf codex, from what I can remember. 2) denying Wolves access to a flyers is a $$$ dumb decision. 3) i dont believe the Wolves have any wolf/fenris specific flyer, but can see one be created easily fluffwise. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271402-death-from-the-skies/#findComment-3306779 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arraken Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 I think we're destined to retain allies, or just cling to the ground as Russ intended and have AA capabilities. Um... how do they even get off planet from Fenris then? Or onto another world to fight? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271402-death-from-the-skies/#findComment-3306789 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Well seeing as the fang leaves Fenris' atmosphere we can walk through the docking clamp on to a spaceship the size of long island... Yeah, no, it was on persons flippant remark. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271402-death-from-the-skies/#findComment-3306795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedrogzc Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 This sentence is a stupid thing!!! It was due to the wolves fears to teleport and using jump packs, not to fly. Why would have they embarked in a stellar crusade and traveled among the stars?!?!?!?! GW you know how to do weird things about background... More... How the hell are they scare of fighting out of land if they are supposed to be inhabitants of a world nearly without land!!! Those who sail the fierces seas of Fenris are afraid of flying in a chicken??? Come on... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271402-death-from-the-skies/#findComment-3306803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfebane Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 It was a pessimistically dour comment, with no factual basis other than the current lack of flyer. Relax, internet.In the meantime, allies are more than viable. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271402-death-from-the-skies/#findComment-3306808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reichfaust Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 Like Rift Blade, I too am currently converting a Storm Eagle for my Wolves--still, I was holding out hope that the Death from the Skies compendium had Storm Raven rules for the Space Wolves after all--finally, I would have been able to give the venerable Bjorn the transport he so rightly deserves! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271402-death-from-the-skies/#findComment-3307105 Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonarmy Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 guard allies with vendetta's is the way forward. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271402-death-from-the-skies/#findComment-3307107 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 personally i don't see what all the fuss is about. do we really need to be able to spam flyers ourselves? is that how astartes let alone space wolves are supposed to fight? NO! had it been we would be investing more in thunderhawks etc. a space marine is just too "expensive" to be spammed as pilots. during the days of the legion we might have had dedicated flyer spam,but nowadays such a task is just "inferior" for a marine since his strengths are needed more on the ground then in the air. In addition, i believe the way the imperial navy, imperial army and even chapters work was that after the horus heresy the space marine legions lost a lot of their air combat assets. only being allowed airborn vehicles who's primary task was transportation? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271402-death-from-the-skies/#findComment-3307123 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimfoe Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 I don't disagree. I like the new flyers. I will probably use them in my son's Crimson Fist army. At first, I was pretty annoyed to see that we don't get the Storm Raven when everyone else is, but we have other abilities that they don't. Our anti-magic is VERY good and we have options when it comes to AA that others don't. I think we'll be fine. It's a little of a challenge, but we'll prevail. We are the sons of Russ, after all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271402-death-from-the-skies/#findComment-3307143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester262 Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 It would have been nice to be able to use one. I, as a personal decision, will not use allies. In my local tournament scene we can't use forgeworld. So, I'll just drop in an Aeges defense line and be done with it. It's not the end of the world :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271402-death-from-the-skies/#findComment-3307180 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arraken Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 personally i don't see what all the fuss is about. do we really need to be able to spam flyers ourselves? is that how astartes let alone space wolves are supposed to fight? NO! had it been we would be investing more in thunderhawks etc. a space marine is just too "expensive" to be spammed as pilots. during the days of the legion we might have had dedicated flyer spam,but nowadays such a task is just "inferior" for a marine since his strengths are needed more on the ground then in the air. In addition, i believe the way the imperial navy, imperial army and even chapters work was that after the horus heresy the space marine legions lost a lot of their air combat assets. only being allowed airborn vehicles who's primary task was transportation? All space marines are a combined arms approach. Space marine pilots are capable of using their vehicles in ways that normal humans cannot. I imagine the gravity forces required to even bother a space marine would be huge. It is also a force multiplier. One space marine on the ground with a bolter can do some damage yes, but one sitting in the cockpit of a Storm Something can do far more. Fluff wise, it makes perfect sense and is in no way inferior. Hence the Land Speeders. Again, the scalpel. Surgical strikes. I believe what you mean is that Space Marines in flyers, like all Space Marines, should not be wasted in attrition, ala Guard and Ork flyers. Send as much as you can at a target and eventually it will die. They should however, be capable of wiping out that Monolith spam or Heldrake that is pinning down or outright annihilating the Grey Hunter pack that would otherwise have a real hard time of it before disengaging for another target of value. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271402-death-from-the-skies/#findComment-3307189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamsight Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 Ye it would have been nice to have a storm talon, I think they left out the storm raven so that we can't have a 10 man grey hunter squad jumping out and laying down the law with two plasma guns and a wolf guard coz we are awesome that way, but I don't really see a reason to leave out the talon :( all well guess it's long fang with agis defance line or guard allies I think a Primis with two vet squads and 3 vendettas it was nasty in 5th and really cruel in 6th lol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271402-death-from-the-skies/#findComment-3307200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 I think they left out the storm raven so that we can't have a 10 man grey hunter squad jumping out and laying down the law with two plasma guns and a wolf guard coz we are awesome that way, No, instead we can have a Wolf Lord, Wolf Priest, and TDA Wolf Guard Pack Leader with a 10-man double special weapon Grey Hunter pack jumping out of a Storm Eagle opening up the CoWA. Personally, I'm happier taking an allied IG Thunderbolt or Avenger as a combined CAP and Ground Attack support role, then getting a "Wolf Talon" or "Storm Wolf". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271402-death-from-the-skies/#findComment-3307204 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rift Blade Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 Forgive me everyone but I have been hunting these last several weeks(IE--work sent me here there & otherplaces best forgotten) but Death From The Skies Compendium? What is this? Fancy name for IA Aeronautica? Forgive my ignorance. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271402-death-from-the-skies/#findComment-3307212 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 Forgive me everyone but I have been hunting these last several weeks(IE--work sent me here there & otherplaces best forgotten) but Death From The Skies Compendium? What is this? Fancy name for IA Aeronautica? Forgive my ignorance. It's GW's new compendium of Flyer rules : http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440161a&prodId=prod1950012a Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271402-death-from-the-skies/#findComment-3307214 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaraion Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 Out of curiosity did we at least get some new anti-air capability... Flakk missiles or anything along those lines? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271402-death-from-the-skies/#findComment-3307231 Share on other sites More sharing options...
montegue Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 Nope. Nor did anything get added via codex updates or FAQs today, other than to clarify that we can't take the Flyers that just expanded to Templars, etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271402-death-from-the-skies/#findComment-3307238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaraion Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 Yep... that makes lots of sense... . We are one of the Imperium's elite fighting forces with Land Speeders and Thunderhawks... but nothing in between... and no anti-air capability. Yeah that makes sense... . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271402-death-from-the-skies/#findComment-3307255 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackziden Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 If you REALLY want to use a space marine flier wid your wolves, why not take Blood Angels as allies? 1) they are marines 2) they are cool fluff wise 3) they have lots of fast infantry & fliers 4) they look awesom 5) they have awesome units and models: death company, guard, dreadnought e.t.c They arr awesome...end off ;p Hackziden Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271402-death-from-the-skies/#findComment-3307274 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 Arraken, on 17 Feb 2013 - 14:43, said: I believe what you mean is that Space Marines in flyers, like all Space Marines, should not be wasted in attrition, ala Guard and Ork flyers. Send as much as you can at a target and eventually it will die. indeed, my main argument was about the fact that that 1 space marine is needed more on the ground than that score of imperial pilots we can hurl at the opponent. think about the scales of battles! your standard game doesn't cover that! my whole point is that we DO have potent anti air defence. it's important to remember that 40k battles and codexes suck at being true to the fluff. IA allows you to field the fluffwise available anti air defence choices, however in most cases marines simply wouldn't bother with it,afterall they'll have backup from the imperial guard, the imperial navy and even their own airforce in the form of thunderhawks. space marines did just fine for over 20 years with not having a score of different flyers both fluffwise and game wise. there is no reason this has changed. I think it's even more fluffwise to ally with some guards to take valkyries/vendettas then that it would be that we steal the bloodangels their "recent" STC of the stormraven, let alone one of the dark angels their flyers. really, i think the main reason why people keep asking for flyers is just pure jalousy/envy that someone else got new bling. only having acces to thunderhawks was fine for 20 years, what has changed? we're still in the 41st millenium! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271402-death-from-the-skies/#findComment-3307299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squark Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 Arraken, on 17 Feb 2013 - 14:43, said: I believe what you mean is that Space Marines in flyers, like all Space Marines, should not be wasted in attrition, ala Guard and Ork flyers. Send as much as you can at a target and eventually it will die. indeed, my main argument was about the fact that that 1 space marine is needed more on the ground than that score of imperial pilots we can hurl at the opponent. think about the scales of battles! your standard game doesn't cover that! my whole point is that we DO have potent anti air defence. it's important to remember that 40k battles and codexes suck at being true to the fluff. IA allows you to field the fluffwise available anti air defence choices, however in most cases marines simply wouldn't bother with it,afterall they'll have backup from the imperial guard, the imperial navy and even their own airforce in the form of thunderhawks. space marines did just fine for over 20 years with not having a score of different flyers both fluffwise and game wise. there is no reason this has changed. I think it's even more fluffwise to ally with some guards to take valkyries/vendettas then that it would be that we steal the bloodangels their "recent" STC of the stormraven, let alone one of the dark angels their flyers. really, i think the main reason why people keep asking for flyers is just pure jalousy/envy that someone else got new bling. only having acces to thunderhawks was fine for 20 years, what has changed? we're still in the 41st millenium! Because fliers are kind of, well, important. At this point, you quite simply can't go without flier defense, and a lot of people feel the Aegis Defense Line isn't enough on its own. And for that, you'd either need to fill your heavy support slot up with Long Fangs with a couple of Flak Missiles (If we had, them, I mean. ON why the heavy support slot needs filling- Flier Defenses without interceptor need to be redundant lest the enemy be able to annihilate them all before they get a chance to shoot. Since we can't stick missile launchers on our troops, we'd be stuck with taking 3 Packs of Long Fangs each with a few sets of Flak Missiles), or take fliers of your own (Well, IA: Aeronautica has more options, but some clubs still stubbornly refuse to use Forge World). Hence the frustation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271402-death-from-the-skies/#findComment-3307325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 well blame in on the club then, not the codex. 6th edition allows plenty of ways to include non forgeworld flyers or anti air support into an army through the use of allies/fortifications yet people refuse to field these. that's a bit like a child complain there are no strawberry flavored sweets inside a mint bubblegum pack who's refusing to buy anything else then the mint bubblegum.(no offence ment btw ;) ) but for real, it makes more sense to have imperial navy support (plenty of those around in any combat zone) then it makes sense to have a stormraven, stormtallon or other GW flyer around. the later all being rare vehicles,especially in comparison to vehicles such as valkyries,vendettas,etc. i'm not going to say an all flyer army isn't powerfull. hell, like every specialised army it's more likely to win against an unprepared balanced list.it just saddens me to see so many complain about how we didn't get the new gifts. have we already forgotten about how we didn't get acces to the new toys for over 9 years? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271402-death-from-the-skies/#findComment-3307437 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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