Gentlemanloser Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Already. LoL @ the Fail. http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m3050214a_Death_From_the_Skies_v1.0%E2%80%93FEBRUARY13.pdf GK SR is still FA and still has mindtrikes. TY GW. /golfclap As I said in the ews & Rumours forum, why would any GK player want to purchase this suppliment? Flyer models, including new bestiary and army list entries for the following codexes: Black Templars, Blood Angels, Dark Eldar, Grey Knights, Imperial Guard, Necrons, Orks and Space Marines. The FAQ makes sure this suppliment changes nothing for the GK. The Valk/Vendetta rules I already have from the IG Dex. What reason is there to purchase this suppliment? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271500-death-from-the-skies-faqed/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
d3m01iti0n Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Dont. Im not. Ill be using BA rules of my BT Raven, and I have the WD flyer book for my Talon. Until somebody corrects me this should be sufficient to run them. This book is a FAQ hiding behind fluff and pictures. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271500-death-from-the-skies-faqed/#findComment-3308250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted February 19, 2013 Author Share Posted February 19, 2013 I'm confused now. As a GK player, which version of the SR do I use? The one form our Codex, or the one from the DfsS. Originally, I thought there was no difference. The DftS FAQ puts our SR back to FA (not Heavy) and forces us to take Mindstrike missiles. But on closer investigation, the SR from DftS differs *significantly* to the GK version. It's; Cheaper by 5 points Loses The Aegis, Psychic Pilot and Fortitiude. Loses Warp Stabilisation Field, Truesilver Armour, Teleport Homer and Psyboly Ammunition options. Gains 10 point cheaper (!!) Extra Armour and a Locator Beacon option that 5 points cheaper than the current Teleport Homer. So which do we use? Does DftS replace our Codex entry? Can we pick and choose and use both? The very fast FAQ doesn't address this. Maybe GW needs to release an updated FAQ. LoL Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271500-death-from-the-skies-faqed/#findComment-3308740 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morollan Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Not having seen this book, how is the SR codex entry described? Does it say something along the lines of "The following entry replaces the Stormraven codex entry from Codex BA and Codex GK"? Or does it say something like "The following Codex entry is added to Codex SM and Codex BT". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271500-death-from-the-skies-faqed/#findComment-3308767 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted February 19, 2013 Author Share Posted February 19, 2013 Not sure Morollan. But take a look at the DftS FAQ. Page 68 – Army List, Stormraven Gunship, Grey Knights Stormraven Gunship. The DftS Supliment contains an Army List entry for a Grey Knight StormRaven. Quote Fail lol! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271500-death-from-the-skies-faqed/#findComment-3308850 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morollan Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Well I'm damn sure not buying the book to find out! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271500-death-from-the-skies-faqed/#findComment-3308855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted February 19, 2013 Author Share Posted February 19, 2013 LoL Same! ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271500-death-from-the-skies-faqed/#findComment-3308862 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 It's a supplement. They FAQ'd our codex already. Guys, I don't see the issue. Use it as written in the Knight codex, with the following changes: - It is now a Flyer, not a Skimmer - 'Shadow Skies' is now 'Skies of Death'. Same as before, except the wording is now 'even if the Stormraven moves more than 12'. That covers going Zoom or Hover Mode There, done. Ignore GW, they're just trying to sell more Flyer kits. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271500-death-from-the-skies-faqed/#findComment-3308863 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted February 19, 2013 Author Share Posted February 19, 2013 RD, you don't a SR that's cheaper (or the same cost with baked in EX Armour), or one equipped with a Locator Beacon? What happens if you agree to play a SM opponent and use the DftS supliment, so he can use his SR? That supliment now gives the GK a totally different SR to use. But you choose not to use the supliment. While he chooses to use it... This is a major cluster :cuss of fail. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271500-death-from-the-skies-faqed/#findComment-3308869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Pretty much. Standard GW supplement track record. I'm gonna be just using the entry in my codex, with the obvious addition of Flyer/updated drop-off mechanic, and the removal of Deepstrike (oh noes). GW handing out the Raven so Marine players stop whining sickens me (bloodstrikes...urgh), but it isn't the end of the world. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271500-death-from-the-skies-faqed/#findComment-3308891 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoJack Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 RD, you don't a SR that's cheaper (or the same cost with baked in EX Armour), or one equipped with a Locator Beacon? What happens if you agree to play a SM opponent and use the DftS supliment, so he can use his SR? That supliment now gives the GK a totally different SR to use. But you choose not to use the supliment. While he chooses to use it... This is a major cluster :cuss of fail. I'd take fortitude over extra armour any day. Use the codex, it's the official rulebook for our army. There's nothing in the official errata that says we need to use the supplement. Additionally, that thing is sold out, so unless GW provides me with another way of getting the rules, I'm going to keep using my codex and its respective FAQ. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271500-death-from-the-skies-faqed/#findComment-3309084 Share on other sites More sharing options...
boreas Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Ah, the joy of playing with friends in a basement: the official position here is "nothing happened, nothing to see, move along...". Death From The Skies never happened :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271500-death-from-the-skies-faqed/#findComment-3309095 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted February 19, 2013 Author Share Posted February 19, 2013 Until your SM mate wants to use a Storm Raven. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271500-death-from-the-skies-faqed/#findComment-3309103 Share on other sites More sharing options...
boreas Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Until your SM mate wants to use a Storm Raven. The only other Marines player in the close group plays Space Wolves... Anyhow, at 100$ for a SR, nobody would want one. In the "extended" group, a Ravenguard player got one for Christmas from clueless (but well intentionned!) parents. He sold it on eBay. If any other player want to use one of my two SRs, we'll probably find some rules somewhere *cough* and have a blast... Heck, I'm planning to add some stormtalons (revell 1/48 Apache models, 25$ each) to my GKs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271500-death-from-the-skies-faqed/#findComment-3309114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
number6 Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 I had heard that there are points adjustments for most of the flyers, including Stormtalon and Valkyrie. Anybody know about this? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271500-death-from-the-skies-faqed/#findComment-3309166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 You heard wrong: Excubitor, on 18 Feb 2013 - 19:12, said:Just got the Compendium (Literally delivered 10 minutes ago!) and going through the flyers, only a couple of things have changed beyond the FAQ changes noted; Base Storm Talon got cheaper, with Lascannons and Typhoon Missiles going up in cost and Skyhammer going downStorm Raven stays the same price-wise with weapon options, equipment got a bit cheaper. BA and GK keep their special missiles, SM and BT get Stormstrike Missiles (Str8, AP2, concussive, one use only). It has a Designer's Note basically saying that BA and GK use the base rules presented in the book, though their codex entries have additional rules and options, the army list entry in the back of the Compendium goes over those too. But from what I see, they basically remain the same as their codex. Besides the FAQ rules changes, as far as I can see all other flyers in the book remain the exact same (bar a couple of rule rewordings). Haven't read into the extra scenarios in the book, this is just from a quick comparison between Codex flyers and the ones in the Compendium. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271500-death-from-the-skies-faqed/#findComment-3309195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Please, oh please, tell me Vendettas are 30pts more expensive! ****Ah, Seahawk is too quick!**** Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271500-death-from-the-skies-faqed/#findComment-3309196 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Ninja'd you good. That fellow says no price changes, other than with the Talon. wah waaaah Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271500-death-from-the-skies-faqed/#findComment-3309203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morollan Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Ninja'd you good. That fellow says no price changes, other than with the Talon. wah waaaah Of course not! GW putting points values up would deter people from buying their most expensive kits, regardless of how much the Helldrake, Vendetta and Necroissants need adjusting for game balance! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271500-death-from-the-skies-faqed/#findComment-3309619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted February 21, 2013 Author Share Posted February 21, 2013 Here is the actual wording of the 'GK' entry for the SR given in DftS; Storm Ravens in detachments chosen from Codex: Grey Knights must replace thier stormstrike missiles with minstrike missiles (pg 64.) Additionally they have The Aegis and Psychic Pilot special rules, as well as the Psychic Power Fortitude, at an additional cost of 5 points. They may also take addtional options as listed in Codex: Grey Knights. They otherwise follow all the rules listed above. Brilliant. We now have access to a Locator Beacon (and can also take a Teleport Homer is we want to!) and our Extra armour is now 10 points cheaper. We also have access to Psybolt Ammunition, Truesilver Armour and Warp Stabilisation Field. The Locator Beacon is also 5 points cheaper than our Teleport Homer. Have fun with The Summoning! (Reckon we'll get another DftS FAQ soon? :P) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271500-death-from-the-skies-faqed/#findComment-3310281 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Eh. I've always found it better to rely on loading dudes into the Raven then trying for 'Summoning' shenanigans. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271500-death-from-the-skies-faqed/#findComment-3310369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted February 21, 2013 Author Share Posted February 21, 2013 Raven with Libby on board, Locator Beacon, WIN! ;) Summon a unit per turn (or two if you take two Libbies! :P) anywhere within 6" of your zooming flyer, with no scatter! It's like using 'Skies', but better! :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271500-death-from-the-skies-faqed/#findComment-3310417 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 That combo is over 500 points for a utility combo. Maybe add it to the 'Reverse 40k' thread instead? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271500-death-from-the-skies-faqed/#findComment-3311282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DinoDoc Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 What reason is there to purchase this suppliment? Pilot traits? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271500-death-from-the-skies-faqed/#findComment-3311330 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 but they are optional , it says it in the book + they were already in the "special" flyer book that came out before it . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271500-death-from-the-skies-faqed/#findComment-3311407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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