Marshall Bretton Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 it's mentioned in betrayer, it doesn't go into it in great detail, but it is pretty cool highlights the differences between the wolves and the world eaters Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271558-what-if-there-was-no-warmaster/page/2/#findComment-3309874 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raulmichile Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 but has that sort of thing not happened before? the wolves were considered the emperors executioners before they went after the thousand sons, and apparently that was not the first time they had been forced to purge a legion. if the other primarchs did not help then, why would they this time? They went after the World Eaters. And were quite mauled in the process. So no, the SW never fought against the missing legions. Not quite true, the result of that confrontation is uncertain. Both sides think they "won". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271558-what-if-there-was-no-warmaster/page/2/#findComment-3309885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Bretton Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 it depends on what you mean by victory as to who won the world eaters got the physical victory by forcing the wolves back, admittedly russ did order his forces to retreat but they were getting pushed back by the world eaters russ proved that the world eaters style of war was extremely costly he also showed that they did not care about their primarch, when they fought each other the wolves were surrounding russ protecting him from the world eaters, but all of angrons lot were too concerned with their own private battles to care and none of them came to help their primarch, it also proved how dangerous the nails were when they lost control of themselves the physical victory went to angron, the moral, metaphorical and symbollic victory was the wolves i may have drawn some wrong conclusions from that, but its how i saw it, please correct me if im wrong Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271558-what-if-there-was-no-warmaster/page/2/#findComment-3309898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
godking Posted February 20, 2013 Author Share Posted February 20, 2013 So even if it was only one Legion which turned at first, there always would have been more to follow because so many of the primarchs had cause to resent the Emperor. Say one or two Legions rebel separately, wouldn't those resentful primarchs come to the aid of their brother being unfairly prosecuted? Without Horus to "unite" the rebelling Legions, let's say for argument's sake, the Iron Warriors finally snap and declare against the Emperor. Wouldn't Angron and/or Mortarion ask themselves, "Perturabo's right to protest his mistreatment; and my legion's been mistreated as well"? The rebelling Legions weren't really ever all that united save for the end goal of overthrowing the Emperor and their personal loyalty to Horus. Angron and Mortarion could rebel but why would they join Perturabo ? Perturabo was not well liked neither was Angron or Mortarion. Without a warmaster to unite them them you might very well see rebellions of sing legions not a united force of 9 legions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271558-what-if-there-was-no-warmaster/page/2/#findComment-3309978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the emperor is scottish Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 The out come would have been the exact same. Lorgar would have still fallen and the gods would have used him to turn Horus. Everything else that followed would. @vesper. According to betrayer angron didn't respect horus. He tells lorgar he thinks horus is an arrogant preening bastard but he can tolerate him slightly more than the emperor. He hated all of his brothers and didn't even view them as brothers. The only one he seemed to respect was lorgar but still admits he'll never like him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271558-what-if-there-was-no-warmaster/page/2/#findComment-3310137 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legionator Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Imperium could be like Mongolian Empire. Khans (primarchs) rules different regions of the empire and making conquest while staying loyal to the great khan in the center of the Empire (the Emperor). Like Ultramarines and Ultramar systems. In that case, World Eaters, Word Bearers and Night Lords still would be a trouble but Perturabo would be happy for gaining a chance to demonstrate his crafting skills. Since every legion would be its own, Word Bearers wouldn't have a chance to spread their folly easily. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271558-what-if-there-was-no-warmaster/page/2/#findComment-3317920 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 I think its funny that Mortarion didn't like tyrnants when he and his troops behaved like tyrants when the needn't have. e.g. Promethean Sun So much for Mortarion caring about humanity. "That is the nature of war!" Well that could be the Emperor's argument as well. imo Mortarion only sees himself as being worthy of being the Tyrant to lead humanity. That's why he stopped following his adoptive father in the first place. He thought he could eventually defeat him. He followed and obeyed the Emperor when he needed to. He was probably hoping that Horus and the Emperor destroyed each other so he could be the Top Dog. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271558-what-if-there-was-no-warmaster/page/2/#findComment-3318292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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