daveNYC Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 I'm going to be happy in 10 or so years time when the price of 3d scanning and printing has dropped to the point that the business model just completely falls out of the minis game market. At that point decent rules will be all a company can sell, so whoever ends up with the IP after GW goes under will have to actually try to make a good game. Actually, if new tech causes the bottom to drop out of the miniature selling business, then GW is probably the only company that could weather the storm. They're the only ones I can think of who can make reasonable bank off of their IP in non-miniature related ways. Between the video games, RPGs, and BL books, GW won't just sink. @Nehekhare: Forget the SW, this was the guy who took the DE and made them interesting with the ability to slap together Kabal, Wych, or Haemonculus lists with themed units in each slot. How he went from that to CSM and DoC is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornywingythingy Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Malisteen, I take it you haven't read the demons book for fantasy yet then? Its bad.... Really bad, like units of a different god tithe general/bsb don't benefit from their inspiring presence/hold your ground.... I didn't like the new woc book, but this makes it look like a buff for woc. Someone put on the comments on faeit this, it sums up both books perfectly "on every page is a picture of an unhappy geek, with'you lose' written underneath" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ambroz Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Yeah I think he's just got a hate on for chaos. I'm sticking with 40k just because of the background and the ability to create your own armies and characters. There are alot of arguably better and easier games out there but how many of them allow you to create whatever kind of army you want with whatever flavor of characters? That said, now though I'm not really into the competitive part of this game anymore. And how are people supposed to stop "trolling"? I mean seriously with a codex release like this?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 I'm going to be happy in 10 or so years time when the price of 3d scanning and printing has dropped to the point that the business model just completely falls out of the minis game market. At that point decent rules will be all a company can sell, so whoever ends up with the IP after GW goes under will have to actually try to make a good game. Actually, if new tech causes the bottom to drop out of the miniature selling business, then GW is probably the only company that could weather the storm. They're the only ones I can think of who can make reasonable bank off of their IP in non-miniature related ways. Between the video games, RPGs, and BL books, GW won't just sink. @Nehekhare: Forget the SW, this was the guy who took the DE and made them interesting with the ability to slap together Kabal, Wych, or Haemonculus lists with themed units in each slot. How he went from that to CSM and DoC is beyond me. GW has too much cost sunk into manufacturing capital to survive a shift to an environment where minis sales don't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveNYC Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Yeah I think he's just got a hate on for chaos. I'm sticking with 40k just because of the background and the ability to create your own armies and characters. There are alot of arguably better and easier games out there but how many of them allow you to create whatever kind of army you want with whatever flavor of characters? That said, now though I'm not really into the competitive part of this game anymore. Except with 6th edition, and the daemon changes especially, you don't even have full control over the flavor of your characters. Roll for warlord trait, roll for psyker powers, roll for daemonic gifts or whatever it's called... It's tough to build up a character when so much of what defines him is rolled for at the beginning of every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ambroz Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Yeah I wasn't talking about Daemons when I typed that up was more referring to the other codex books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 GW has too much cost sunk into manufacturing capital to survive a shift to an environment where minis sales don't matter. if you were an exec at GW or a senior employee [generaly someone who can actualy influence something] why would you care ? it wont happen in the next 5-6 years and in 10 years you could easily get a pension , you could even stay in the table top gaming industry doing your own projects or join a creative team of different company [doesnt even have to be table top gaming] . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 I never said they would, or should even. Just that it will happen sooner or later - sooner rather than later I'd expect - so there's really not a lot of motivation to try and cultivate a long term consumer base. Even less so than there usually is for publicly traded corporations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nehekhare Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 long-range schemes earthshaker cannons? count me in! the guy who took the DE and made them interesting Yeah I liked the idea, but the 6th ed. rules pretty much killed them. I hardly knew the new dex. comments on faeit best one I've read was the guy about the flamer/screamer nerfs: "I welcome the change, may start a pure tzeentch army now that they require skill and tactics" LOL. seriously. kicked in the balls? I welcome the change! May even start a family now that it bleeds so much... btw, who was the "stop trolling"-troll? from warseer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayray Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Some guy who has obviously never spent well earned money on GW figs and then gotten hit in the boys with the good ol nerf bat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron_Within Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Tzeentch got it so hard it makes no sense. In the traditional 4 gods hating each other, you'd think it would be a bloodbath, cept of course, Warpflame means that Tzeentch buffs Nurgle to ungodly powers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RapatoR Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Who are you , I dont know you from here or other forums ? btw, who was the "stop trolling"-troll? from warseer? It is pretty easy to check I am here from 2009 and I debated with jeske over some issues. My point is that you and several other users already experessed their opinion pretty vocaly, multiple times. You dont need to express it another bazilion times without providing additional useful info and/or ridicule people who might hold other opinion than yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Tzeentch got it so hard it makes no sense. In the traditional 4 gods hating each other, you'd think it would be a bloodbath, cept of course, Warpflame means that Tzeentch buffs Nurgle to ungodly powers. Tzeentch took it hard because previously Tzeentch was godly powerful (as he should be). Flamers ignoring all armour were basically slaughtering all comers barring extreme cases of luck, so of course they have to be useless now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayray Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Until those not upset over the new chaos daemons codex become a majority, your argument over what is and is not constructive on this thread thread is moot. You, Raptor, are in the minority, cannot deem what is and isn't constructive. Venting, forus, is constructive. Tzeentch got it so hard it makes no sense. In the traditional 4 gods hating each other, you'd think it would be a bloodbath, cept of course, Warpflame means that Tzeentch buffs Nurgle to ungodly powers. Tzeentch took it hard because previously Tzeentch was godly powerful (as he should be). Flamers ignoring all armour were basically slaughtering all comers barring extreme cases of luck, so of course they have to be useless now. And that justifies buffing enemy units? Riiiiiiiight....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 I ask you who you are because I dont know you and I dont have to ridicule anyone , most people do it very well on their own . Saying that people who say the codex is bad [or worse makes no sense at all] are trolls is a very interesting idea . what do you draw it from ? is it a good codex that makes sense , should we not be talking about the single options from the dex or should we be talking about it only in pms ? And that justifies buffing enemy units? Riiiiiiiight....... well I doubt they want another case of prefaq paladins=draigowings/oblits , so they nerf stuff that people bought in to the ground hard. I mean look at us we are still using oblits which probably says more about other hvy support options , then it does about oblits , specialy considering that aside for the defiler all were buffed . Same with pms. IMO pms should have lost FnP [probably tyfus giving it to a unit he is with only] and oblits went not only cant use the same weapon per turn , but weapons used for squad are rolled for . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nehekhare Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 you and several other users already experessed their opinion pretty vocaly [...] without providing additional useful info I'm not here to provide info for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkMark Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 I've read that Mr. Cruddace is the co-author. Joy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RapatoR Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Jeske you are missing a point by miles. I wonder how you inferred that I said that people who dont like codex are trolls. Civillised discussion wheter codex is not or bad is legit. But last 4 pages of topic has dissolved in inflammatory posts of 4 or so people trolling, whining, flaming and several cries of GW/Kelly sux!. I deem this highly inappropriate for this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornywingythingy Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 ^ I don't think its in any doubt that its a bad dex rapator, and its damaging the number of armies we are gonna see around, which is another bad thing. You can disagree with our opinions and views, but calling us trolls isn't exactly constructive. But please, enlighten us as to how this is a good, well constructed dex/benefits 40k as a diverse system? All I see happening is necrons continuing to dominate competitive play, and now one of the armies that could beat it is likely to be not seen anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveNYC Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Ugh, I just imagined a Daemon vs. Necron (with the Stormlord) game. Soooo much extra dice rolling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 hmm what do I see . going over the khorn options . going over the AA options in the codex. general view on r kelly codex design this and prior editions . considering the future of GW and its sells policy . hmm non constructive trolling . flaming [for that to tbe true the codex had to be good] sorry I dont see ithe stuff you write Raptor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ambroz Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 We've discussed the one decent (not even good) thing, the soulgrinder. We've tried discussing other things but.....nothing else is even decent. So why not rant? Out of my two largest armies, one is completely useless now while the other is only still standing because of hellturkies. What I don't understand is nearly every codex has some list that makes it at least useable in fun games, like Nids have some decent "fun" options. This codex doesn't seem to have any, at least anything we've discovered yet from the first couple days of looking through it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 yeah if it wasnt for the warp storm , you could just slap 64 letters some 2 DP 1 GD and maybe 2-3 fiends and you would have a casual army , but with warp storm your mono god is too dangerous . so you take 2x2x2 , 2-3fiends no DP[if they get grounded its like helping your opponent] 2-3 heralds and some stuff from the FA section maybe you even will go after 2 and cut the troops to 2x1x1 . But that means 2 things[well 3 but one isnt important for everyone] . your still getting owned by your own rules and being melee already means you have the random factor stacked against you . you have fiends and fiends only to deal with flyers , if they die you cant do a thing to them and the not important thing you are playing happy chaos family . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevak Dal Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 I don't like hurting people, but I think Phil Kelly needs a punch right to the gut for this man. After he gave the Dark Eldar their awesome book, and Space Wolves their book, we got shafted. Maybe just shout out "Hey Phil, you're a dick for screwing Chaos over!" and give him the finger or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuggnuggath Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 I expect there might be some cheap second hand daemons on ebay in a month or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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