Cmdr Shepard Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Rumour is that Phil Kelly wrote the 40K book and Ward wrote the Fantasy one... Given how Kelly worked with our CSM Codex, I'm not confident in this Daemon Codex. >_> Well if rumors are correct he gave Greater Daemons T7 and the Nurgle one is T8. So it will hardly be "underpowered".... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271605-still-no-thread-about-the-new-daemons/page/2/#findComment-3311772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ambroz Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Still, from the sounds of it one unsaved wound on these GDs and they'll run back to the warp scared from failed LD and GDs aren't known for being swift in combat (with the exception of the KoS). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271605-still-no-thread-about-the-new-daemons/page/2/#findComment-3311793 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nehekhare Posted February 22, 2013 Author Share Posted February 22, 2013 Well if rumors are correct he gave Greater Daemons T7 and the Nurgle one is T8. So it will hardly be "underpowered".... No, those were made up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271605-still-no-thread-about-the-new-daemons/page/2/#findComment-3311877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Stil debating if i should go for 40k or Fantasy version first. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271605-still-no-thread-about-the-new-daemons/page/2/#findComment-3312338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 White Dwarf only has the fantasty Greater Daemon stats, and only for Nurgle; M6 WS6 BS3 S6 T7 W6 I4 A3 Ld 9 40k wise, we've got Beasts and Plague Drones; I won't post the numerical stats, but I'll confirm that Daemonic Instability and Deep Strike are on both models special rules lists - and Beasts of Nurgle have "It Will Not Die!". The Tzeentch chariot looks a little better in the magazine, to the point where I kinda want one. Plus, if you build the flamer chariot, you get a Herald on foot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271605-still-no-thread-about-the-new-daemons/page/2/#findComment-3312411 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 I plan to build a herald on foot and use the disc for a sorcerer in my CSM army. Hopefully he can have screamer escorts now! :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271605-still-no-thread-about-the-new-daemons/page/2/#findComment-3312428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Well, after a closer look to the 360° of the new releases, Tzeentch ends up with what feels like the best of the lot. Still nothing on the Greater Daemons. It looks like they will not get an update for now... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271605-still-no-thread-about-the-new-daemons/page/2/#findComment-3312450 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Just like the special characters and most of the range of CSM and DA did not get updated either... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271605-still-no-thread-about-the-new-daemons/page/2/#findComment-3312466 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Well, looks like some other big changes... like six screamers being wiped out by tactical terminators with power fists. I guess their close combat attacks aren't AP2 any more. Go figure... Lysander, on his own, assaults a unit of 6 Flamers and is 'locked in' with the pyrocaster.. instead of being murdered by overwatch? Guess flamers aren't AP2 any more either... or maybe they can't overwatch? hmm. Go figure. Looks like it's back to being Nurgle's game again. *sigh* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271605-still-no-thread-about-the-new-daemons/page/2/#findComment-3312487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricBasser Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 On the plus side, Skyfire Soul Grinders, and Daemon Prince spawning Horrors. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271605-still-no-thread-about-the-new-daemons/page/2/#findComment-3312573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
well.worn.hack Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Thats my book ordered , looking forward to this yet disappointed that Daemon Princes aren't Heavy Support anymore. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271605-still-no-thread-about-the-new-daemons/page/2/#findComment-3312642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdr Shepard Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 Lysander, on his own, assaults a unit of 6 Flamers and is 'locked in' with the pyrocaster.. instead of being murdered by overwatch? Guess flamers aren't AP2 any more either... or maybe they can't overwatch? hmm. Go figure. According to the info we have now daemons' "abilities" are psychic powers: that means they cannot be used with overwatch. It's just my guess ;) On the plus side, Skyfire Soul Grinders, and Daemon Prince spawning Horrors. Can they choose to grant the skyfire rule to their weapons or have they only skyfire weapons like Hydras? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271605-still-no-thread-about-the-new-daemons/page/2/#findComment-3313124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricBasser Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 Not sure yet. I'm sure they can choose skyfire. It was in the WD battle report and speculation. Becuase it shot down two flyers in two turns. Some say it could have been a mysterious objective, but Soul Grinder wasn't a scoring unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271605-still-no-thread-about-the-new-daemons/page/2/#findComment-3313192 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavement Artist Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Well, looks like some other big changes... like six screamers being wiped out by tactical terminators with power fists. I guess their close combat attacks aren't AP2 any more. Go figure... Lysander, on his own, assaults a unit of 6 Flamers and is 'locked in' with the pyrocaster.. instead of being murdered by overwatch? Guess flamers aren't AP2 any more either... or maybe they can't overwatch? hmm. Go figure. Looks like it's back to being Nurgle's game again. *sigh* Well if they've nerfed flamers that can only be a good thing. I wouldn't make snap judgements based off the bat rep. you learn next to nothing from white dwarf anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271605-still-no-thread-about-the-new-daemons/page/2/#findComment-3313865 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricBasser Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Breath of Chaos could be a psychic power and all Tzeentch models have the brotherhood of Sorcerers rule. *Just guessing* With Psychic Powers, you can't overwatch, right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271605-still-no-thread-about-the-new-daemons/page/2/#findComment-3313870 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Well, the flamer-on-a-chariot has an AP3 torrent. If the fancy flamer is AP3, I imagine regular flamers will be AP3 as well. The models have grown on me after seeing the 360 view, but the more I hear about the rules themselves, the less optimistic I feel. So far it sounds like a cascade of nerfs with nothing particularly good in return, but we'll see. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271605-still-no-thread-about-the-new-daemons/page/2/#findComment-3313900 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakarsis Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Some new rumors on Faeit tonight. All nurgle units apparently get shrouded. Cheaper plaguebearers (-3 pts/model) with 4++, 2+ cover save in terrain, and upgradable to get back the old FNP (via herald of nurgle) sounds pretty good. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271605-still-no-thread-about-the-new-daemons/page/2/#findComment-3314530 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 I'm not sure I trust those rumors. The description of how instability works in particular seems off. I mean, the shroud thing might still be the case - one could reasonably guess that simply from the CSM prince rules - but I'm not convinced those rumors on the whole constitute any actual insight rather then guessing and deductions based on existing information and leaked white dwarf pages. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271605-still-no-thread-about-the-new-daemons/page/2/#findComment-3314939 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 It's not leaked, its on my shelf. :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271605-still-no-thread-about-the-new-daemons/page/2/#findComment-3315468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricBasser Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Anyone see the Warp Storm table? Think these would work with CSM daemon units? If you get a 10, it improves daemon usr saves by 1+. Thinking about Mark of Tzeentch Oblits/Mutilators. 2+/3++ or Daemonic engines with a 4++. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271605-still-no-thread-about-the-new-daemons/page/2/#findComment-3315508 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 It's only in play if Daemons are your main army, so I'm not sure how much of an effect it would have on the average allied contingent. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271605-still-no-thread-about-the-new-daemons/page/2/#findComment-3315516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricBasser Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Rumor had it all Daemons USR friend or foe. So if playing against them, wouldn't be a bad thing. . . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271605-still-no-thread-about-the-new-daemons/page/2/#findComment-3315520 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nehekhare Posted February 27, 2013 Author Share Posted February 27, 2013 So then your oblits/warp talons/possessed would count as "daemon of x" if you give them marks, i.e. rerolling saves of 1/shrouded? I've seen a similar argument come up from the wording of the CSM entry of the Daemon prince alone ("DaemonS of x ..." meaning all daemons, not just the DP). Doubt it though, because daemons (USR) are not daemons (units from C:CD). But hey, have you read Jervis Johnsons' latest article? you don't need rules, even the designers have no clue what they're doing, so just roll a 4+ ;D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271605-still-no-thread-about-the-new-daemons/page/2/#findComment-3315804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Did they do the, "we dont use points for this battlereport" just like dark Angels vs Chaos? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271605-still-no-thread-about-the-new-daemons/page/2/#findComment-3315837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 No, they had a points limit and a standard mission. Nehekare's referring to Jervis Johnson's "haha, we still own THIS guy! We're still the GW you knew and loved 30 years ago!" article. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271605-still-no-thread-about-the-new-daemons/page/2/#findComment-3315861 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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