Vash113 Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 So the discussion about Leman Russ had me remembering a story about the Dark Angels and Space Wolves joint journey to Terra during the Horus Heresy and how they got sidetracked to an Imperial world and almost came to blows until they discovered the Imperial commander was a traitor or something of that nature. The specifics elude me and now I cannot seem to find the source. Does anyone know what source that story was in? One of the HH Artbooks perhaps? For that matter does anyone have the details? This info is missing from the Comprehensive Histories and I'd like to add it if possible. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271683-en-route-to-terra-what-is-the-source/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bikeninja Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 I believe this is mentioned in the 3rd Edition Codex...I checked my 2nd Edition one but did not see it in there. I cannot find my 3rd at the moment but I am looking...I have to find it now that I do not know where it is at. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271683-en-route-to-terra-what-is-the-source/#findComment-3311160 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfkry Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 I think the story went something along the lines of Lion wanted to make all haste to Terra, where as Russ wanted to free/reconquer worlds on the way of strategic importance en route. They had a falling out about that obviously. Upon arriving on Terra Lion throws a primarch scale hissy fit about Russ slowing them down and that it was his fault they werent there to save the Emprah. They have a fight Lion almost kills Russ by plunging a dagger into his heart only at the last moment realizing he was going to far and diverted an inch from Russ's heart or something...I think it might be in 4 edition or a white dwarf. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271683-en-route-to-terra-what-is-the-source/#findComment-3311183 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted February 21, 2013 Author Share Posted February 21, 2013 I believe this is mentioned in the 3rd Edition Codex...I checked my 2nd Edition one but did not see it in there. I cannot find my 3rd at the moment but I am looking...I have to find it now that I do not know where it is at. I just checked my 3rd Edition Codex and it's not there that I can see. In the thread I put in the DA sub-forum someone suggested Vol II of the Horus Heresy Artbooks but I lack that book to check. I think the story went something along the lines of Lion wanted to make all haste to Terra, where as Russ wanted to free/reconquer worlds on the way of strategic importance en route. They had a falling out about that obviously. Upon arriving on Terra Lion throws a primarch scale hissy fit about Russ slowing them down and that it was his fault they werent there to save the Emprah. They have a fight Lion almost kills Russ by plunging a dagger into his heart only at the last moment realizing he was going to far and diverted an inch from Russ's heart or something...I think it might be in 4 edition or a white dwarf. I haven't read quite that story before but something similar. Either way a source would be fantastic if you can find it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271683-en-route-to-terra-what-is-the-source/#findComment-3311208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeslikethunder Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 I thought it was a White dwarf Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271683-en-route-to-terra-what-is-the-source/#findComment-3311300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Bretton Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 according to the fallen (can't remember where from, angels of darkness or something) it was the lion who was slowing his legion down because he wanted to get there after the battle had finished and declare allegiance to whoever was the winner. in that version the wolves are not even mentioned this is a subject that is going to get bogged down in the dingy history of those treacherous bloody dark angels and their eternal crusade to kill the last of the loyalists that know the truth about the lion and his treasons Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271683-en-route-to-terra-what-is-the-source/#findComment-3311429 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted February 22, 2013 Author Share Posted February 22, 2013 Chapter Master Astelan and his account lacked the Wolves I would imagine simply because he had no fisthand knowledge, he was on Caliban the whole time, so would not have known that the Dark Angels and Space Wolves were traveling to Terra together. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271683-en-route-to-terra-what-is-the-source/#findComment-3311443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 But SW were late to terra not because of the DA thing , but because when the combined force of SW and WS was ambushed by demons , SW stayed to buy WS time to warp jump . Or was that fluff changed ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271683-en-route-to-terra-what-is-the-source/#findComment-3311540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 The wolves where blocked by an unknown force and asked the WS for help, they sayd they could not help ant where heading to Terra. The wolves where ok with that, and an unexpected ally broke the blockade and set the wolves on there way to Terra. the joined up with the DA but Russ wanted to free some planets and forge world on the way. His point was why stop horrus if there isnt any Empire left if he is beaten. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271683-en-route-to-terra-what-is-the-source/#findComment-3311968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 OK HH 4 The fleet was Alpha legion. Dorn told the kahn not to help Russ but come to terra and relay the orders to Russ to lure the alfa legion away from terra as far as they could. Kahn added his own personal apology and Russ just shrugged and was sure they would bleed the alpha leagon for all it was worth The help the wolves got is described as from unexpected quarters Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271683-en-route-to-terra-what-is-the-source/#findComment-3311995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted February 22, 2013 Author Share Posted February 22, 2013 The joined up with the DA but Russ wanted to free some planets and forge world on the way. His point was why stop horrus if there isnt any Empire left if he is beaten. That is the story I'm looking for, would you happen to know the source material it is from? OK HH 4 The fleet was Alpha legion. Dorn told the kahn not to help Russ but come to terra and relay the orders to Russ to lure the alfa legion away from terra as far as they could. Kahn added his own personal apology and Russ just shrugged and was sure they would bleed the alpha leagon for all it was worth The help the wolves got is described as from unexpected quarters So the Horus Heresy Artbook Volume IV? Is it in collected visions, I don't have #4 and don't have the hundreds to shell out on a copy from amazon. The Yarant thing I recently added, what I really need is the story about Russ and Johnson traveling to Terra and Russ wanting to stop along the way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271683-en-route-to-terra-what-is-the-source/#findComment-3312007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Sorry the part of the SW and DA being together on there way to terra is not in the HH books. I dont know where i got that info from, i have so many books i wouldnt know where to start, I thought it was in the HH but it isnt Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271683-en-route-to-terra-what-is-the-source/#findComment-3312016 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted February 22, 2013 Author Share Posted February 22, 2013 Sorry the part of the SW and DA being together on there way to terra is not in the HH books. I dont know where i got that info from, i have so many books i wouldnt know where to start, I thought it was in the HH but it isnt Yea that's my problem as well, don't know where to start. If it comes to you let me know, I'm trying to track down that source. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271683-en-route-to-terra-what-is-the-source/#findComment-3312033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 When the Horus Heresy erupted and many of the Space Marine Legions turned against the Emperor, Jonson was fighting alongside Leman Russ, Primarch of the Space Wolves, on the far side of the galaxy. When the two Primarchs learned of Horus's betrayal, they put aside their feuding, gathered their Legion and began the journey back to Earth. But the journey was long and beset by difficulties so that by the time they arrived, the battle for Earth was over and traitors had been defeated. - IA: DA As to the specific "Russ slowed us down" angle... The German WD41 and the French WD61 may have something relevant (after much Google searching), but I can't figure out what their US/UK equivalents are. A variety of sources talk about Kalidus, and there's at least one article that mentions the place, but I can't find the original source. Return to Kalidus is from WD 158, which suggests that the original source predates that (1993). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271683-en-route-to-terra-what-is-the-source/#findComment-3312126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gondlir the Wandbearer Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Sorry the part of the SW and DA being together on there way to terra is not in the HH books. I dont know where i got that info from, i have so many books i wouldnt know where to start, I thought it was in the HH but it isnt Yea that's my problem as well, don't know where to start. If it comes to you let me know, I'm trying to track down that source. 2nd Edition Angels of Death Codex. It was probably copy-pasted into the DA Index Astartes WD article as well. It's also mentioned in the WD short "Attack on the Imperial Palace" (by William King, I believe), and I believe the IA article about Horus' Legion as well that it was the impending arrival of these two Legions which moved Horus into his final gambit of allowing the Emp onboard his flagship. I think, but I'm not sure, that it was actually Johnson who insisted they save a number of strategic worlds on the way. This caused Russ to rail against the events afterwards, bearing his chest to Johnson basically telling him to kill him (Russ) and the Lion, also mad with grief, stabs Russ through one of his two hearts. The irony, of course, is that they could never have made it in time, since it was their approach which forced Horus' hand. Hmm, that would make more sense if it were Russ who insisted on stopping to defend other worlds, and he felt guilty afterwards. NB: this is all old background completely ignoring the BL HH series, which I loathe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271683-en-route-to-terra-what-is-the-source/#findComment-3312149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Where in the AoD codex? Because the big one explaining their feud is on page 67, and is pre-heresy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271683-en-route-to-terra-what-is-the-source/#findComment-3312185 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gondlir the Wandbearer Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Page 12, start of the "Fall of Caliban" chapter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271683-en-route-to-terra-what-is-the-source/#findComment-3312379 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaraion Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Page 12, start of the "Fall of Caliban" chapter. But this part just states they traveled together. There are no details about their interactions at all in this passage unless my AoD is a different edition... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271683-en-route-to-terra-what-is-the-source/#findComment-3312430 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gondlir the Wandbearer Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 No, that's correct. The part about them liberating forge worlds sounds to me like it came from one of their respective Index Astartes articles. I'd have to dig through my old white dwarfs to find out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271683-en-route-to-terra-what-is-the-source/#findComment-3313307 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted February 24, 2013 Author Share Posted February 24, 2013 No, that's correct. The part about them liberating forge worlds sounds to me like it came from one of their respective Index Astartes articles. I'd have to dig through my old white dwarfs to find out. Unless my own sources are incomplete the story is not in any of the Index Astartes articles, and I've checked all even partially related to the event, though it's possible I missed something... I'll have another look. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271683-en-route-to-terra-what-is-the-source/#findComment-3313324 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozeryk_Sleipnijr Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 Lets hope they dont let gavin thorp write the tale, his writing is not my cup of tea. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271683-en-route-to-terra-what-is-the-source/#findComment-3313407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 It's not in the IA articles.<br /><br />White Dwarf 156-158 appear to have had a bunch of Space Wolf stuff for Rogue Trader. They might be the source.<br /><br />The French WD 61 would be the approximate equivalent of UK 233, but 232-234 have nothing relevant. The German WD 41 would be 160-something, and I don't have those. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271683-en-route-to-terra-what-is-the-source/#findComment-3313441 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 I can categorically say it was definitely in a WD but unfortunately the issue alludes me. I'm 100 percent certain it was a WD article though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271683-en-route-to-terra-what-is-the-source/#findComment-3314102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Year? Decade? Edition? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271683-en-route-to-terra-what-is-the-source/#findComment-3314123 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Nope, can't narrow it down. It's either 3rd or 4th edition. I believe it came out before the William King short stories about the Siege of the Palace, but I just can't remember! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271683-en-route-to-terra-what-is-the-source/#findComment-3314244 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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