eyeslikethunder Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Yup my memory fits with Idaho Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271683-en-route-to-terra-what-is-the-source/page/2/#findComment-3314285 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted February 25, 2013 Author Share Posted February 25, 2013 The White Dwarf certainly makes sense, after all we've pretty well eliminated every other possible source the material could have come from. Now the question is, how to find out which White Dwarf and whether anyone still has one... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271683-en-route-to-terra-what-is-the-source/page/2/#findComment-3314339 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 I know I still own a copy with it round my dad's house, but I won't be able to get round there for a while, sorry. Â Maybe ask gree or Legatus? Both are encyclopedias with keyboards! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271683-en-route-to-terra-what-is-the-source/page/2/#findComment-3314410 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Asking in the DA forum might not hurt, either. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271683-en-route-to-terra-what-is-the-source/page/2/#findComment-3314428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted February 26, 2013 Author Share Posted February 26, 2013 Asking in the DA forum might not hurt, either. Â Already put a thread identical to this one in the DA board, didn't reveal much more than here unfortunately. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271683-en-route-to-terra-what-is-the-source/page/2/#findComment-3314547 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Bretton Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 damned traitor dark angels!! Â is there an online resource for white dwarf stuff anywhere? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271683-en-route-to-terra-what-is-the-source/page/2/#findComment-3314750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 I dimly remember the story about Russ delaying the Space Wolves' and Dark Angels' journey to terra, but I don't remember where it is from. Â According to the Lexicanum, the german White Dwarf 41 contains a story about the Iron Priest Hrothgar, the first Iron Priest of the Legion. On the world of Kalidus he pacified Jonson and Russ, who were about to take up arms against each other over the correct course of action, as they had been influenced by the daemon Tarus. Â German WD 41 was the May 1999 issue (with the White Dwarf Grombrindal himself in the cover, and presenting the 3rd Edition Codex Dark Angels), which I think should be the UK issue 233. Â Perhaps further mention could be found in the White Dwarf issues around the release of the Space Wolves Codex? Presumably the story about Leman Russ being responsible for discovering/saving the STC was written to justify the use of the Leman Russ Exterminator in the 3rd Edition Codex Space Wolves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271683-en-route-to-terra-what-is-the-source/page/2/#findComment-3315292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 I dimly remember the story about Russ delaying the Space Wolves' and Dark Angels' journey to terra, but I don't remember where it is from. According to the Lexicanum, the german White Dwarf 41 contains a story about the Iron Priest Hrothgar, the first Iron Priest of the Legion. On the world of Kalidus he pacified Jonson and Russ, who were about to take up arms against each other over the correct course of action, as they had been influenced by the daemon Tarus. German WD 41 was the May 1999 issue (with the White Dwarf Grombrindal himself in the cover, and presenting the 3rd Edition Codex Dark Angels), which I think should be the UK issue 233. Perhaps further mention could be found in the White Dwarf issues around the release of the Space Wolves Codex? Presumably the story about Leman Russ being responsible for discovering/saving the STC was written to justify the use of the Leman Russ Exterminator in the 3rd Edition Codex Space Wolves. I've just opened WD 233, May UK edition. Pages 20-21 have a story about Russ, the Lion, etc. Here is the pertinent part for the OP: "On Kalidus Jonson and Russ once more came to blows over who should lead the expedition. Jonson wanted to continue directly onto Terra while Russ believed it was necessary to destroy the orbital fortress on Kalida Secundus, an armoured moon that bombarded the loyalist forces on the planet below. Tarus, a survivor who had fled the fortress, claimed the crew were possessed by Daemons. For a day the Primarchs argued and they finally came to blows. This time they drew blades and went for each other. Russ gashed Jonson's cheek with his chainsword. Jonson tore Russ's arm. Their fight was stopped when Brother Hrothgar uncovered Tarus, showing him to be a mind-controlling Daemon in the shape of a man. Once the Daemon had been exposed, the inexplicable rage fell away from the Primarchs and they decided the duel was a draw. But now both harboured bitter resentments against the other. A joint attack was launched the Secundus fortress. In the airless corridors the Space Marines fought against the mutated horde. Russ himself placed explosive charges in the reactor and the Space Marines retreated, departing in their ships, leaving the citadel of Daemons to explode behind them. The inhabitants of the planet first thought a second sun had been born aove them and cringed in terror, then, realising that the bombardment had stopped, they gave thanks to the Emperor." But don't worry, the two finish their duel later on. Russ doesn't want to fight, Jonson averts his blade at the last moment, only hitting Russ's primary heart, and Russ goes down. Dorn and Jonson stand over Russ when he awakens, and Jonson asks for forgiveness. Russ gives it. Good job everyone, and doubly good job Legatus Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271683-en-route-to-terra-what-is-the-source/page/2/#findComment-3315372 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 When did Russ start using a chainsword? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271683-en-route-to-terra-what-is-the-source/page/2/#findComment-3315389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Dammit, I looked in there. Guess my copy's missing some stuff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271683-en-route-to-terra-what-is-the-source/page/2/#findComment-3315399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 When did Russ start using a chainsword? He's a man Primarch of many hats weapons ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271683-en-route-to-terra-what-is-the-source/page/2/#findComment-3315463 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted February 27, 2013 Author Share Posted February 27, 2013 Excellent work indeed. Marshal Wilhelm, if you could provide the conclusion to Russ and Johnson's duel in a bit more detail I'd appreciate it, I'd like to add that story to the articles as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271683-en-route-to-terra-what-is-the-source/page/2/#findComment-3315531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Well it goes much like Wulfkry said: I think the story went something along the lines of Lion wanted to make all haste to Terra, where as Russ wanted to free/reconquer worlds on the way of strategic importance en route. They had a falling out about that obviously. Upon arriving on Terra Lion throws a primarch scale hissy fit about Russ slowing them down and that it was his fault they werent there to save the Emprah. They have a fight Lion almost kills Russ by plunging a dagger into his heart only at the last moment realizing he was going to far and diverted an inch from Russ's heart or something...I think it might be in 4 edition or a white dwarf.  This follows on from the last part I wrote. "In Lemora, the Chapters were assaulted by a fleet of pirates, reavers who had used the outbreak of the Heresy to pillage and loot, just as had happened before the Emperor had established his peace. In the battle that followed, many ships were lost before the pirates were overcome. After defeating the corsair leader, Ghoran the Navigator, in single combat, Russ spared the man's life, then forced him to swear loyalty to the Emperor. Ghoran did so and afterwards he and his men fought bravely against the heretics. Ghoran's grandson was later to repay the his forbear's debt most honourably. On the Shield Worlds Russ and Jonson defeated the Tyrant Mashashi and his army of ten million blood drinking men. From him they learned of the great assault that was planned on Earth. Mashashi was a sorcerer and a seer and even as he died, blood bubbling from his lips, his ribcage ruined by a sweep of Russ's axe, he sneered at his victorious foes and told them all their efforts would be in vain. The Emperor would die, slain by Warmaster Horus.  Looking into Mashashi's great viewing crystal. the two Primarchs saw a terrible scene. In a place of utter Chaos, the Emperor stood alone against the hideously changed Warmaster. Their brother Sanguinius already lay dead at the great evil one's feet. Russ and Jonson were deeply disturbed by Mashashi's prophecy. Both realised that it might be a trap set by the Dark Powers but both feared the worst, for the crystal of seeing was an ancient artifact of great power and was said to infallibly reveal the hidden secrets of the universe. The two Primarchs debated the course of action they should take. Within the crystal they saw the great fleets of the heretics voyaging towards Earth. The saw five entire Chapters of corrupted Space Marines, depraved spawn  of Chaos and evens Daemons descend towards the Imperium's heart. They decided that they much reach Earth, whatever the risk, and take part in this battle even if it was their last. They decided to use the crystal to guide them on the last, long warp voyage.  Gathering their men and ships the Primarchs led them into the warp. It was to be the longest single journey ever attempted at that time and it appeared doomed from the very start. Within the vast seas of warp space they were assaulted by Daemons who tried to prevent them reaching Terra. Many brave Space Marines and proud ships were lost. Great storms, sent by the Chaos powers themselves, swept them off course and drive them to the many shadowy corners of the universe unseen by men before of since. Brave men went mad, or starved or died in hideous plagues, but still the ships drove on, ploughing through that terrible, secret sea. In the end, with Russ himself at the helm of the Winter Wolf, his navigator driven insane from the horros he had witnessed on the long journey, the fleet arrived too late.  Time flows strangely in warp space, and though it seemed to the ships'crew that they had travelled only for weeks, long and hard weeks though they may have been, in the true universe of matter many months had passed. The Space Wolves and the Dark Angels arrived on Earth to find the ultimate tragedy come to pass. The Ruins of Earth.  The Space Wolves and the Dark Angels dropped into the fighting around the ruins of the Emperor's Palace. Joining forces with the remnants of the White Scars and the Blood Angels they swiftly drove the forces of Chaos from the rubble. Howling his warcry, Russ battled his way into his father's throne-room, slaying every enemy that came within range of his bolter of within reach of his axe. By his side were his wolves, guarding his back, howling warnings of hidden enemies and lamentations for fallen brothers. Through the shadowy halls Russ battled and one by one his bodyguards fell away, slain by their fearsome foes. Russ feared not. THere were monsters in the most sacred hall in the Universe and Russ vowed he would slay every one of them if need be.  Two-headed mutants fell to his blade. Great formless spawn erupted and these he flamed. Daemons stalked the halls, howling in terror, for the Emperor had slain Horus and in turn taken a mortal wound. Russ showed no foe mercy. Hatred was in his heart and death was in his hand.  Russ came at last to the audience chamber. Fallen stone angels lay on the marble floor. The bodies of dead men and monsters were strewn everywhere. Over everything lay an eerie quiet and even the great wolves fell silent. Russ called aloud for the Emperor and his cry echoed, answerless, round the great chamber. He stood alone, at the centre of the world, and wept. He knelt before the Emperor's empty throne and prayed for guidance. In the distance, brazen horns sounded their victorious note. Word of the death of Horus and the arrival of Russ and Jonson had spread and the forces of Chaos fled in full retreat. The dark will that had bound them was gone. For the first time Russ felt no joy in victory and saw no glory in his deeds. In the empty hall, all seemed meaningless and dark, and despair threatened to overtake him.  The air shimmered and Rogal Dorn, stern Primarch of the Imperial Fists appeared. In his arms he carried the broken body of the Emperor. Behind him his men reverently carried the corpse of the eagle-winged Sanguinius. He would fly no more. Russ looked wearily at Dorn. Silently Dorn shook his head. Both men knew that it was over. Horus's treachery had left the Imperium in ruins. The band of brothers was sundered forever. The dream that they had fought for was dead. This was no victory. Russ let out a great howl of grief and rage, and turned and stalked from the Hall.  Jonson found him under the Monument to the Victory at Durath. He too had taken the Emperor's loss most grievously. He too was maddened with pain and heartbreak and despair. In that darkest hour, bitter words were spoken. Jonson accused Russ of losing Earth. If they had not paused at Kalida Secundus they might have arrived in time. Jonson raged, Russ stared back mutely, then told the Dark Angels Primarch to go away. He had no thirst for battle. He lay down to sleep under the fallen statue to meaningless victory.  As he slept, he dreamed. As he dreamed the Emperor came to him. Russ was filled with wonder. The Emperor spoke, telling him that now was the time of testing. Now it was up to him and his true brothers to hold the Imperium together lest all that they had accomplished vanish. He told him that the matter between him and Jonson must be settled now and forever. When Russ woke Jonson stood over him, armoured and armed for a duel. Russ rose to his feet. He saw the folly of what was about to happen. The realm of Mankind was going to fall into anarchy, chaos and darkness, and those who could prevent it were fighting among themselves. He looked at Jonson and shook his head. Filled with rage Jonson insisted he fight. Russ simply exposed his chest, offering his heart to Jonson's blade. Jonson struck, but at the last second perceived his madness. As the blade pierced Russ's primary heart, Jonson turned his stroke aside, deflecting the blade from bone, and missing the second heart. The duel was settled. Honour was satisfied at last.  When Russ awoke he found Dorn and Jonson standing over his bed. Jonson bowed his head and begged forgiveness. Russ gave it. Dorn told the Lord of Fenris of the construction of the Golden Throne by the Adeptus Mechanicus, that would preserve some spark of the Emperor's life until perhaps a cure could be found. The three of them swore a great oath never to do battle against each other again. For the universe had grown dark and Daemons were still at large and the true Space Marine were the last bulwark of mankind against ultimate destruction. They strode forth to re-unite the shattered Imperium under the Emperor's banner. THey drove the forces of Chaos back to the Eye of Terror. They fought many battle, for there was a galaxy to conquer. They banded together with the remaining loyal Primarchs and re-established order. Thus was the Imperium preserved and the Law maintained in the Universe. But the Emperor was lost and the Golden Age was over forever." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271683-en-route-to-terra-what-is-the-source/page/2/#findComment-3315623 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Octavulg did all the work. I was about to give up when I noticed that he had pointed out the german WD 41. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271683-en-route-to-terra-what-is-the-source/page/2/#findComment-3315668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted February 27, 2013 Author Share Posted February 27, 2013 Well this is some old and interesting material. Again I say well done digging this up guys. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271683-en-route-to-terra-what-is-the-source/page/2/#findComment-3315715 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Bretton Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 very interesting stuff indeed, allot different from the current cannon in many way, i wonder how much they will change it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271683-en-route-to-terra-what-is-the-source/page/2/#findComment-3315763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozeryk_Sleipnijr Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 The famous fight between Russ & The Lion(which is now a Ritual Fight between the SW & the DA 10k later) happened during the great crusade? Or during the Horus Heresy on rout back to terra. The Codex story seems to refere to it during the geat crusade Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271683-en-route-to-terra-what-is-the-source/page/2/#findComment-3315776 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 The famous fight between Russ & The Lion(which is now a Ritual Fight between the SW & the DA 10k later) happened during the great crusade? Or during the Horus Heresy on rout back to terra. The Codex story seems to refere to it during the geat crusade I have written the second half of the story out. In the first half it details the Assault of the Crimson Fortress, where the Tyrant of Durath was. He was the one who called Russ the Emperor's lapdog. That was where Russ and Jonson have their "the duel" and the ritual fight comes from "The duel" is part of the Great Crusade. Jonson stabbing Russ's primary heart happens after the Siege of Terra. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271683-en-route-to-terra-what-is-the-source/page/2/#findComment-3315815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozeryk_Sleipnijr Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Wow with all these little bits of Information It shows that the 2 Primarchs must have had an intense relationship, thats some intense grieving when your brother bares his heart and you stab him just a little bit. So where does the White Scars angle come in? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271683-en-route-to-terra-what-is-the-source/page/2/#findComment-3315880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Wow with all these little bits of Information It shows that the 2 Primarchs must have had an intense relationship, thats some intense grieving when your brother bares his heart and you stab him just a little bit. So where does the White Scars angle come in? The WS angle is something that is from the HH series. I'm not sure how compatible it is with this fluff XD Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271683-en-route-to-terra-what-is-the-source/page/2/#findComment-3316510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozeryk_Sleipnijr Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Well if I were the money guy at BL I would bring both stories in. SW are one of the most popular armies and one could make both events fit. As long as Gavin Thorp does not write them I am fine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271683-en-route-to-terra-what-is-the-source/page/2/#findComment-3316656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gondlir the Wandbearer Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 That's it, that's the story I remember. Good find. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271683-en-route-to-terra-what-is-the-source/page/2/#findComment-3316750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter the Hermit Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 @Marshal ty Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271683-en-route-to-terra-what-is-the-source/page/2/#findComment-3318404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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