How could Horus possibly 'neutralise Plalanx'?

[Wade Garrett]

When were the Dark Angels and the Space Wolves mauled?

(The Ultramarines I'll give you, Calth + Lorgar and Angron's little ramble through the 500 Worlds)

 

@ Kol Sarek
Having the bulk of Mars systems be infected by Scrap Code is only a problem for the Loyalists, or so I assume given that in Know No Fear the Dark Mechanicum Adept's are said to be "luxuriating in the glorious presence of the Octed" while plugged into the scrap code infected orbital defense grid.

[Deus Imperator Vult]

The Fists and White Scars fleets were still at reletively full strenght when the traitors showed in the system, unless there has been anything I've not read yet OR hasn't been written yet, The Blood Angels are mauled after signus prime. However we don't know to what extent or how much time they have had to conduct repairs between then and the battle for Terra so, for example, Red Tear could still be ruined from the events of Fear to Tread or she could be completely rearmed, rebuilt and recrewed.

[Vesper]

When were the Dark Angels and the Space Wolves mauled?

(The Ultramarines I'll give you, Calth + Lorgar and Angron's little ramble through the 500 Worlds)

 

Thramas Crusade for the DA

Prospero + the clash with the World Eaters for the Space Wolves.

[Wade Garrett]

The Thramas Crusade wasn't a "mauling" for the First Legion, it was a series of minor raids and skirmishes followed by them killing something like a fifth of Curze's forces, causing Captain Sevatar to say "Enough of this garbage, we're going to Terra". Plus, I think you're understimating just how much Isstvan cost the DG, WE, EC, and SoH, with what was supposed to be a quick assassaination turning into a full on planetary war against themselves.

[Kol Saresk]

When were the Dark Angels and the Space Wolves mauled?

(The Ultramarines I'll give you, Calth + Lorgar and Angron's little ramble through the 500 Worlds)

 

@ Kol Sarek

Having the bulk of Mars systems be infected by Scrap Code is only a problem for the Loyalists, or so I assume given that in Know No Fear the Dark Mechanicum Adept's are said to be "luxuriating in the glorious presence of the Octed" while plugged into the scrap code infected orbital defense grid.

Didn't a couple of the Loyalist forges that weren't protected by the noosphere go nuclear or something?

 

I'll look it up when I get home.

[Mantras]

On the issue of being scared of the DA and SW, as the fluff stands i see it like this :

 

• The DA were not mauled by the NL, and if I remember rightly, the figures given in The Lion put them at around the 200k mark, making them the third largest legion after the UM and WB. They were also noted as being just behind the Sons of Horus in terms of victories, not a force to be sniffed at.
• 2nd point from from The Lion is -

 

 

The Dark Angels have the ability to land their ENTIRE legion in one place ridiculously accurately due to the machine they picked up whilst fighting the Death Guard and Iron Hands

 

 

When the 9 traitor legions would be embattled, commited, entrenched and unable to break the deadlock, the arrival of 2 legions who are fresh would be massive. The DA and SW could choose where to best bring their forces to bear, and their arrival would embolden the defenders. Also, lets be real, the DA and the SW were 2 of what I would call the "top tier" legions. They were not just good, but great, and had weathered the heresy taking relativity small losses (in comparison to the other big players, like the BA, UM, RG, IH Sallies and the Traitors who all had to purge around a 3rd of their legions).

 

I think dismissing the arrival of the DA and SW as "a matter of seconds" is wrong, if anything I would say it would break the siege almost totally.

[Iron Father Ferrum]

Pfft of course the Alpha Legion wouldn't be there it's a straight up fight not hiding in the closet waiting for your enemy to go to sleep before you go after them. Apologies to any AL fans but personally I cannot wait to read the scene where Guilliman guts one of them.

 

... except that I'm 90% certain that Guilliman and the Ultramarines weren't actually at Eskrador.  If you'd like to hear more of my conspiracy theory, PM me since it's off topic.

[Kol Saresk]

90% still leaves room for doubt.

[Iron Father Ferrum]

90% still leaves room for doubt.

It's the Alpha Legion. The moment you're 100% certain about anything with them, you lose.

[Deus Imperator Vult]

it's a shame Corax didn't spit Omegron's head in Deliverance Lost.

[Iron Father Ferrum]

it's a shame Corax didn't spit Omegron's head in Deliverance Lost.

 

How could he have?  Corax has no idea that Omegon exists for starters, and for enders, Omegon didn't infiltrate Deliverance or the Raven Guard base on Kiavahr.  He operated physically outside of the compound at all times and never once came face-to-face with a member of XIX Legion.

 

Honestly brother, your vitriolic hate for the Alpha Legion seems. . . irrational.  And again, off-topic.

[Deus Imperator Vult]

 

it's a shame Corax didn't spit Omegron's head in Deliverance Lost.

 

How could he have?  Corax has no idea that Omegon exists for starters, and for enders, Omegon didn't infiltrate Deliverance or the Raven Guard base on Kiavahr.  He operated physically outside of the compound at all times and never once came face-to-face with a member of XIX Legion.

 

Honestly brother, your vitriolic hate for the Alpha Legion seems. . . irrational.  And again, off-topic.

I was refering to that moment towards the end of Deliverance Lost where Omegron was disguised as a skitarii or a servitor or something. It's just the line where he is saying how easily kill Corax. It just bothered me. Personally, I liked them in Legion but since that I've just dispised their every appearance in the Heresy books. I felt like their part in Deliverance Lost just completely undermined the Raven Guards story. I realise it's off topic but those are my reasons for my dislike, brother.

 

 

[Brother Hadafix]

You don't, I think is the simple answer.

 

Have you ever seen how some fish react to a large predator? They swirl together, making it very hard to target any individual snack, and they are fast enough to evade. 

 

In this way, a ship like the Phalanx can be kept busy while the rest of the fleet engages the more conventional stuff and the landing craft get through.