sonofpollux Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Brothers, I come to you humbled and seeking advice from out illustrious forum. With the release of Loken and Abaddon from FW, I have begun to work on my Sons of Horus Army. My main goal is to create the First of the Sons of Horus. With that said, I need some help with the structure of First Company.Do you think there is more than one unit of the Justaerin? If so, how many do you think?Is all of First armor painted black? Or is it the normal sea-green that we always see?What do you think was the formation structure of First Company? HH:Betrayal gives the formation of the 17th Company as: 10 tactical units, 2 veteran units, 3 recon units, and 1 heavy support squad (pg. 70). It also says on the same page that, "The 1st Company showed even greater variation. Small in number it contained two distinct sub formations: the Justaerin Terminator squads formed one part and the Catulan Reaver Assault squads the other.(pg. 70)"I plan on doing a squad of Catulan Reavers led by Kalus Ekaddon (run as Destroyers), but only as a single squad. What do you think?I want it to be as close to Horus Rising, False Gods, and Galaxy in Flames as possible. I'm into the fluff of the army much more that the competitive side of this hobby. Any help or advice would be appreciated. (PS: If I get the help I need, I'll post a vow to make sure this gets done, and pictures too :) )Hail Horus! Hail the Warmaster! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271873-sons-of-horus-1st-company/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_Dew Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 The first company is all in black and made up of squads of Justaerin and at least one company of Catulan Reavers according to Betrayal on the reavers size anyway but both are mentioned in other books as being in black Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271873-sons-of-horus-1st-company/#findComment-3314180 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 The Terminator Elite of are the Justaerin, not the First Company. I don't recall the Catulan Reavers being black. But everyone else in the First Company would be wearing Legion colors. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271873-sons-of-horus-1st-company/#findComment-3314238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Catulan Reavers did in fact wear black armor, similar to Justaerin. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271873-sons-of-horus-1st-company/#findComment-3314350 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim AMM realgenius Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Well, the description of the Justaerin (pg 245) says they are black-armored. And the pic on pg 74 indicates all the Catulan Reavers are black-armored. Pg 70 you quoted later reads, "Both sported the black armor worn only by this elite company..." So Betrayal seems to say all the First Company wears black armor and only the First Company wears black armor. Maybe First Company is the smallest, composed of just Justaerin and Reavers? Horus Rising seems to indicate just one squad of Justaerin, led by Abaddon (pg 13?), but who knows how big the squad is at full strength... maybe 20? But that first passage also seems to indicate that the masses of First Company where white-armored (would later be green). It seems, like always, there's a little discrepancy/wiggle room between FW and BL. But I'd say you'd definitely be safe with twenty of each of the two types; that certainly seems "reasonable". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271873-sons-of-horus-1st-company/#findComment-3314365 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheForgottenAngel Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 I would say that a good army would be two squads of Justaerin and then 2 20man squads of Catulan Reavers all sporting the black armor and then fill in from there with support squads and vehicles. Thats four scoring troops choices. Make sure to add CCW to the Catulan Reavers and use the Pride of the Legion rules to be extra fluffy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271873-sons-of-horus-1st-company/#findComment-3314382 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Hmm. Apologies, I was going off the BL series. as you noted, only the Terminator Elite wore black and the Catulan Reavers were a squad, not a company. Seems Betrayal has done more changes than I thought. I stand corrected. @SonofPollux: Ultimately, I'd either pick between Forgeworld or Black Library. Any Terminators you do will be black. That's a given. But I think you said you wanted to follow the BL books? Perhaps a good compromise would be the Terminators and Assault Troops being black while the rest of the First Company wears the Legion colors? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271873-sons-of-horus-1st-company/#findComment-3314391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 An all black Sons of Horus army would be cool as well... Kind of a precursor to what they will eventually become (Black Legion). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271873-sons-of-horus-1st-company/#findComment-3314526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavel Araghast Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 I doubt about how to paint my SoH. I will field a 20 man despoiler squad (sea green) and 20 man assault squad (that's the main problem, i have 2 variants, mk.5 armour with jump packs and sea green as ordinary unit or mk.2 armour with jump packs and black as Catulan Reavers). Also my force will have a squad or two of Justaerin Termies, they will be black of course. My praetor will be green i think, but if i'll choose to wear him in TDA how should i paint him? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271873-sons-of-horus-1st-company/#findComment-3314696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_Dew Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 I would personally go for sea green on him unless he's a first company Praetor Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271873-sons-of-horus-1st-company/#findComment-3314876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheForgottenAngel Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 It's probably more likely the Sons of Horus had more MkIV than any other legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271873-sons-of-horus-1st-company/#findComment-3315417 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 I doubt about how to paint my SoH. I will field a 20 man despoiler squad (sea green) and 20 man assault squad (that's the main problem, i have 2 variants, mk.5 armour with jump packs and sea green as ordinary unit or mk.2 armour with jump packs and black as Catulan Reavers). Also my force will have a squad or two of Justaerin Termies, they will be black of course. My praetor will be green i think, but if i'll choose to wear him in TDA how should i paint him? Is he a part of the Justearin or does he happen to have some Justearin units under his command? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271873-sons-of-horus-1st-company/#findComment-3315427 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofpollux Posted February 27, 2013 Author Share Posted February 27, 2013 Could be Falkus Kibre, The Widowmaker Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271873-sons-of-horus-1st-company/#findComment-3315566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 IIRC, Kibre was just a regular captain so his Terminator armor should be white. Although that observation is based on the Terminators of Loken's Company at the Whisperheads had white armor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271873-sons-of-horus-1st-company/#findComment-3315574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavel Araghast Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Yes, my Praetor is 'ordinary' captain (maybe 6th company as it's free, otherwise will choose other number). First I thought of fielding him in cataphracti armour so that will look strange (10 termies black and one - green). But I've reviewed my list and choose to wear just artificer armour and iron halo for him. So I decided to collect ordinary company (all in green armour) with some help from my friend Abaddon with his squads of justaerin terminators (obviously justaerin termies) and catulan reavers (made from destroyer squads with jump packs), which will be black. Everyone, thanks! It's great feedback that helps me to develop my view of my future army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271873-sons-of-horus-1st-company/#findComment-3315697 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttoVonAwesome Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 To Kol Saresk: The book implies there were many sub ranks of commanders, And also the Sons of Horus employed a loose strategy when it came to building companies most were created for specific needs or had thier organasation shuffled around to match a conflict. Having a sea green commander in a sea of black first company troops wouldn't be out of character it just means Horus thought his style of thinking was perfect for the mission at hand, Alternatively if it bothers you too much have them lead by a consul problem solved. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271873-sons-of-horus-1st-company/#findComment-3315953 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 That might be true. I was just asking if he was the first captain or not because Abaddon is the master of the Justaerin while Ekaddon is captain of Catulan Reaver Squad. I mean company. I forgot the book changed that. But still, if they are the only two captains in "companies" that wear black, then all other captains should logically wear sea-green. Unless there are changes made by Forgeworld I need to be made aware of. I said white because I was thinking of Luna Wolves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271873-sons-of-horus-1st-company/#findComment-3315963 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Don't forget Falkus Kibre, I think he was the leading Sargent or officer of the justarein behind Abbadon Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271873-sons-of-horus-1st-company/#findComment-3316092 Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Foes Remain Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Falkus is captain of the Justarein 'Widowmaker' squad, and from what I can tell leader of the Justarein half within the 1st co. while Ekaddon commands the Catulan Reaver half within the 1st co. and Abbadon is command of them all. Kinda confusing, really with Betrayal changing a few things. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271873-sons-of-horus-1st-company/#findComment-3316126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Falkus is captain of the Justarein 'Widowmaker' squad, and from what I can tell leader of the Justarein half within the 1st co. while Ekaddon commands the Catulan Reaver half within the 1st co. and Abbadon is command of them all. Kinda confusing, really with Betrayal changing a few things.that is confusing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271873-sons-of-horus-1st-company/#findComment-3316240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Foes Remain Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Falkus is captain of the Justarein 'Widowmaker' squad, and from what I can tell leader of the Justarein half within the 1st co. while Ekaddon commands the Catulan Reaver half within the 1st co. and Abbadon is command of them all. Kinda confusing, really with Betrayal changing a few things.that is confusing. Right, basically (imo) from the first three HH BL books and Betrayal I think that the SoH 1st co has two factions. The first being the Justarein who are the terminator veterans, and the second being the Catulan Reavers. Falkus commands the Justarein half and leads the 'Widowmaker' squad and Ekaddon commands the Catulan Reaver half, meaning that they are both line-captains and not company captains (think that was in the 1st book before Ekaddon shot the false 'Emperor' and how Loken outranked him). But Abbadon is Captain of the Company and commands it as a whole instead of the two factions. Think of it like a HH version of the Sternguard and Vanguard, 1st company split into two different units yet united in purpose just with a leader for them both below the 1st Captain. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271873-sons-of-horus-1st-company/#findComment-3316265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Will in the first three books, Ekaddon was originally captain of a squad, not a company. Unfortunately, Forgeworld making it a company only adds to the confusion imo. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271873-sons-of-horus-1st-company/#findComment-3316289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Foes Remain Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Yeah, I agree. But it also makes a bit of sense and gives a more uniform sense of the SoH 1st co. and kinda links them to the Codex-Approved 1st co. layout. Funny that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271873-sons-of-horus-1st-company/#findComment-3316305 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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